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RM, Paul of Tarsus → Paul the Apostle, Moved, 5 March 2007, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 4 § Article Rename
RM, Paul the Apostle → Saint Paul, Moved, 6 November 2008, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 8 § Article Name
RM, Saint Paul → Paul of Tarsus, Moved, 3 September 2009, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 9 § Requested move 2009
RM, Paul of Tarsus → Saint Paul, No consensus, 2 June 2010, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 9 § Requested Move to Saint Paul
RM, Paul of Tarsus → Paul the Apostle, Moved, 16 October 2010, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 10 § Requested move
RM, Paul the Apostle → Paul of Tarsus, Not moved, 20 April 2014, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 12 § Requested move
RM, Paul the Apostle → Saint Paul, Not moved, 18 September 2022, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 14 § Requested move 18 September 2021

Teachings of Jesus?

Is it accurate to say that Paul spread the teachings of Jesus? What is the evidence? The citation doesn't help much... 47.12.161.100 (talk) 05:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know what Paul did. His epistles do not say much about the actual teachings of Jesus. tgeorgescu (talk) 10:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"the actual teachings of Jesus" Why would the teachings of Jesus matter to early Christians? Pauline Christianity diverged from the ideas of Second Temple Judaism which Jesus embraced. Dimadick (talk) 08:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No they did not Jesus did not embrace second temple Judaism thank you for showing you have not done any research into this and just have no idea what you're talking about 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah just ignore Jesus saying that the scribes and Pharisees are a hypocrite and that they establish their own laws upon God's laws and all sorts of other things 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we do and yes they do you claim to have read the Bible but I have looked at your post on this website and it's evident to me you have no idea why it says you know absolutely nothing about the Bible you just assume you do probably after you just looked through it didn't think it made any sense did no studying into it just believe what an online atheist YouTuber said about it and did no research for your own. 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Our own research is banned by website policy. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK I just saw this you clearly just don't know how to read first thing that policy makes no sense because tanking by looking up scholarly sources that's research everything done on Wikipedia is your own research every last thing secondly I wasn't talking about Wikipedia I was just talking about your own personal life you've just proven my point and I know exactly how you are going to respond because you will respond like every single other atheist online the exact same argument over and over again nothing new not a original thought in your head good bye 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:57, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's much talk about nothing. If you cannot WP:CITE WP:RS you cannot produce valid edits. That's it, we are not asking for your opinions, we ask you to WP:CITE WP:RS, which you apparently cannot do. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it's very accurate just read the Bible and use your brain for more than five seconds unlike the two people who replied to you 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"In Romans 16:7, he states that his relatives, Andronicus and Junia, were Christians before he was and were prominent among the Apostles."

This is erroneous and should be removed. Nothing about the text indicates the Andronicus and Junia were his literal relatives: Romans 16:11 Paul refers to his 'relative Herodion'. Romans 16:17 Paul addresses the church in Rome as 'brothers and sisters' (literally 'brothers' in the Greek). In no way does this mean that Herodian, Andronicus, Junia or the entire church in Rome were Paul's literal relatives. It's symbolic language (i.e. brother/sister/relative in CHRIST). 2600:480A:3391:0:2108:C6D2:A145:72FB (talk) 01:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done WP:OR won't do, see WP:RSPSCRIPTURE, WP:CITE mainstream WP:RS to that extent. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You never do that any of that stop pretending none of Wikipedia views about the Bible or mainstream or based in evidence it's all a bunch of BS what this guy is saying is 100% accurate there's nothing saying they were actual family that's just an assumption you would know that if you actually studied the Bible and study Greek but you didn't you claimed to have read it but you haven't you don't know what you're talking about 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah before you come and say that you are basing things on academic sources no you are not you're wasting your arguments and people who claim to pay scholars who never actually read the Bible their entire life never done any archaeological digs never study the ancient near East or ancient Julia who make assumptions based on modern interpretations of how modern readers would take things not how ancient readers would take things I've seen you attacked online apologetics who actually do this in sight actually historians probably because it makes you a little upset that your cult of personality falls apart at the most easy of this is how every single other ancient Person would've taken this we know this from all these documents you're assumptions are wrong I also know this is not a personal attack against you this is an attack on your ideas which are is plain wrong and the way you go about things you have no idea what you're talking about that's not a personal attack that's just true you should be banned from adding this because you're not an expert you don't know what you're talking about you have a clear biased and you actually should do actual research and not just believe whatever Richard Dawkins says who's never actually looked at any of the historical evidence for anything or any Christian argument he admits that he hasn't all the evidence is against you not one archaeological find has debunked the Bible not one there are no contradictions every single one you're thinking of just needs a look into the ancient contacts the books were written in because they were written to you 21st century Person your contradictions are like oh they said the sunset but it really doesn't set that's your contradiction or another one you can't seem to comprehend that someone can be from Moscow and also be Russian you're probably fuming at this why because I pointed out that your ideas are silly that you never actually read the Bible in your entire life and your entire ideology based on assumptions you shouldn't be mad you shouldn't be insulted you don't treat any other ancient text the way you treat the Bible maybe actually learn about ancient cultures and how things worked like Judas bought the field because it was his money the priest couldn't accept blood money so it was still his that's a contractor and people say the Bible has but if you just paid attention you would know it wasn't so yes you are just plain wrong on everything when it comes to the Bible you don't know what you're talking about 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CITIZENDIUM.

How do you know that I didn't read the Bible? Are you a soothsayer? Are you a mind reader? Divination deserves the death penalty, according to the Bible.

I didn't state above what I believe about it. I just stated you need to WP:CITE mainstream Bible scholars. "I have personally read the Bible" won't do. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So you're just doing ignore everything I said don't even bother responding to my other comments it seems like you do this was the most of your life you can't seem to comprehend the idea that people know about your other edits on Wikipedia and can look at your own user page you really don't know how context works do you this is the end of the conversation you just proved my point but yes people can look at your user page and your previous edits on Wikipedia it's very easy to do 217.180.216.104 (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That means you're unable to WP:CITE any WP:RS. The Bible isn't WP:RS, that's why we can never accept your opinions as valid.

The gist of Wikipedia: the mainstream academic opinion rulez! And it's none of our job to challenge it.

For me, as well as for a lot of Protestants, it is not really important if Jesus had blood brothers and sisters. It's just a banal fact of Ancient history, and evidence for or against it is extremely scarce. Same applies to whether Paul was speaking of his own blood relatives. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:30, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add to Occupation

prior to ministry Paul was a Tent maker. 69.54.142.165 (talk) 06:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul's death: Tertullian's account

The text reads "Paul was "crowned with an exit like John" (Paulus Ioannis exitu coronatur), although it is unclear which John he [Tertullian] meant". Is there any reason why we should not say that this comparison most likely refers to John the Baptist? BobKilcoyne (talk) 05:33, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

change it to -Saint Paul Writing His Epistles" by Valentin de Boulogne.jpg

this is in my opinion the most used image of Apostle Saint Paul and maybe it can be confused with the Jude the Apostle image cos they look pretty similar -Saint Paul Writing His Epistles" by Valentin de Boulogne.jpg Mahal ko si Jesus (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

nvm i figured out how to change it Mahal ko si Jesus (talk) 00:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]