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This is a request to edit confusing language regarding "discovery of a mass grave".
Please change the following text: "In late April, a mass grave containing nearly 300 bodies was discovered following the withdrawal of Israeli forces earlier in the month, according to Gazan civil defence workers".
to: "In late April, following the withdrawal of Israeli forces earlier in the month, Gazan civil defence workers exhumed nearly 300 bodies from the mass grave in the compound".
The use of "discovered" would imply that previously (before late April) no such site was known to exist in the compound. This is contradicted by known facts previously referenced in the article: "Israeli soldiers entered the hospital on 15 February 2024. The soldiers entered from the south, destroying displaced people's tents and bulldozing a mass grave". The sources couldn't have referenced "bulldozing a mass grave" in February 2024 if it hadn't been an existing and known site at the time.
Geolocation efforts have since confirmed that the mass grave "discovered" following the withdrawal of Israeli forces is the same site that was known to be used for mass burial before the forces entry into the compoundAnalysts debunk Hamas claims that Israel dug mass graves at Nasser hospital. 188.191.227.201 (talk) 23:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Description of suggested change:
A request regarding changing the civilian casualties listed in the side block. It looks like on 04/22/2024 it was changed to 210+ but the 5 English sources all say 21 or less. The BBC source says 20 militants. The other 4 sources say between 1 and 21 civilians.
Please let me know if I missed something. Diff:
Under "Casualties and losses"
change:
"16 killed, ~200 surrendered (per Israel)"
to:
"20 militants killed, ~200 surrendered" --using BBC link (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68330579) for ref
and change:
"210+ civilians killed"
to: "21+ civilians killed" --without BBC link ref
Thank you.
Hi you! In April 2024, Al Jazeera wrote: "Nearly 200 bodies found in mass grave at hospital in Gaza’s Khan Younis". So that is why the number was changed into 210+. I'll add the Al Jazeera source to the infobox so it is understandable why this number is mentioned. Lova Falk (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering about that playing a part. Two questions -
I figured 21 can easily be misread/typoed to 210 but then saw the grave thing and thought maybe that was why. But I read some of its sources and it gives different numbers and says bodies, not civilians. Since Gaza/Hamas reporting doesn't differentiate deaths of fighters vs civilians, how is this determined?
"It was not clear where the people discovered in the mass grave were originally buried. But wartime chaos in Gaza has made it common for Palestinians to bury the dead in mass graves or in courtyards and back gardens in a hurried way that might be unthinkable in times of peace.
In January, an official at Nasser told journalists that hospital workers had buried about 150 people in the hospital yard because nearby fighting had made it too dangerous to travel to a cemetery."
which points to people dying (for a potential variety of reasons) at a hospital and being temporarily buried outside due to lack of free movement but that's not the same as troops came in and openly slaughtered hundreds of civilians and dumped them in a grave as I got the impression of from the wiki presentation. It also says it wasn't clear where they were originally buried which is that some may have been moved to that location (eg from the inside of the hospital such as the 40 mentioned in https://web.archive.org/web/20240326075807/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68055933).
It also says "The Israeli military raided Nasser Hospital on Feb. 15 to stop what it said was Hamas activity, after ordering the hundreds of displaced people sheltering there to evacuate," and the wiki article describes basically a pre-raid before that in February. Which means that 150 of the people were already buried by Gazans in the yard before the pre-raid and raid happened.
Hah. I just realized that the change request post right before mine said the second part of my question way more succinctly - that the grave was already there before the troops arrived. Manamanadodododo (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Given the topic, I thought I might be walking into a hornet's nest with the request. So I really appreciate being able to have an objective, fact-based conversation about what information the sources provide without it turning into the rest of the internet. Manamanadodododo (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Nasser Hospital reopened a year ago and is still open. You can watch live video streams of the entrance with people and vehicles coming and going. IDF recently struck 3rd floor of hospital to assassinate a top Hamas leader who was being treated there.
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The Nasser Hospital reopened a year ago and is still open. You can watch live video streams of the entrance with people and vehicles coming and going. IDF recently struck 3rd floor of hospital to assassinate a top Hamas leader who was being treated.there. 2001:1970:4CA2:3A00:0:0:0:8158 (talk) 22:57, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is quite clear to me which changes you would like us to make. I couldn't find any source saying something like: "At this date, Nasser hospital resumed medical services" but I could find several recent sources mentioning Nasser hospital in a matter of fact way, for instance the Guardian article: "... Doctors at Nasser hospital reported chaotic scenes, with dozens of bodies being brought in." or Sky news: "British surgeon Dr Victoria Rose speaks from Nasser Hospital..." So I added a sentence: "However, in 2025 the hospital has resumed medical services." This is rather vague, and I would be grateful for more specific sources, so I can write more specific text. Lova Falk (talk) 10:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done Lova Falk (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 00:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)