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A fact from Marguerite McDonald appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 May 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Marguerite McDonald performed the world's first laser correction surgery on the normal eye of a living human patient?

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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 23:22, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Marguerite McDonald performed the world's first laser correction surgery on the normal eye of a living human patient?

Source: CRST

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Inchnabobart
Comment: Expansion began on March 20, 2025. Article is still being reviewed for medical accuracy by DYK's resident doctor.

5x expanded by Cielquiparle (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 73 past nominations.

Cielquiparle (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

5x expanded from 1454[1] to 8617 characters, although current size is 8901 or so.[2] QPQ done. Article is a little dry, but I didn't notice any problems other than one Earwig nitpick; changed "numerous" to "many".[3] Hook is cited and sourced in the third paragraph of the "Excimer laser treatments" section, but I don't understand why there is so much WP:OVERCITE. My guess is because the article was expanded from an older version and this was never cleaned up. It's still presentable, but distracting. Approve ALT0 in spite of the "first" red flag, but this hook is exempt. Everything looks good to me. Viriditas (talk) 05:24, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consider these clarifications in the article

@Cielquiparle - I found this article on the DYK nomination. Very fascinating read. A few questions:

Did she move to New Orleans specifically for her fellowship? Did she do the 2-year retinal fellowship?
Was she faculty/professor at the New Orleans or Shreveport LSU Medical School? (I would assume New Orleans, not Shreveport; but the wikilink goes to the general page?
PERK study]: When did it take place?
First PRK surgery - on blind eye(s)? Were they human eyes? Subject not a live human?

(I cannot access all of the references you've provided.) — ERcheck (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reading @ERcheck. The first two were easy to address and have been fixed in the article.

1. She moved to New Orleans specifically for her fellowship. She was enrolled in a two-year fellowship (unclear what exactly it was called back then), but it was cut short by one year. (This is from the podcast interview with her where she explains the situation.) She implies that the faculty place became available because of the professor who left (whose spot she took in the PERK study).

2. I replaced the link to the general LSU Medical School page specifically with the redirect called Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans, which seems exactly right and even better than linking than directly linking to Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing 1 & 2.

4. Is confusing. I cannot access either of the reference for that paragraph. — ERcheck (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean now. Those are non-medical magazine articles (log in to WL once and it should display no problem) and not the best sources for this information to begin with. The intention always was to replace with better sources once they were found. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK I have now addressed #3 (first procedures in 1982 and 1983). Turning to #4 now. I don't have special access to any medical sources beyond what access Wikipedia Library provides. (Sometimes you have to log in twice (log in to WL first and then log in to the specific databases). Cielquiparle (talk) 15:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the "world's first" claim for "PRK on a blind eye in June 1987" which now appears in the Notes section. There are many references to McDonald's various "firsts" in medical journal articles and indeed, many of them seem difficult to access but I'm optimistic that we will be able to clarify this a bit better. Copying in @Whispyhistory.

(In any case the 1988 "world's first" on a sighted human eye on a living patient claim seems undisputed and for purposes of DYK, the question will be how best to word that in a hook if that is what we're going with.) Cielquiparle (talk) 16:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the firsts are confusing, though as Cielquiparle says, the 1988 1st PRK using excimer in a healthy eye of a living human is clear as in [4]. This ref says the case was written about, though I can't find the original. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]