Talk:Mandenga Diek

Additional sources

• [1] A little bit about the Adomakos as activists
• [2] Exhibition in museum
• Image of Dorothea (Doris) Reiprich in the 1950s: [3]. The Pinguin Bar [4] is worth looking into.
• Dorothea on IMDB: [5]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle talk 22:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Cameroon-born Mandenga Diek, who obtained German citizenship in 1896, was not allowed to return to Cameroon with his German wife? Source: Aitken, Robbie (9 April 2025). "Denied a Certificate of Fitness to Marry: The Nuremberg Race Laws as a Threat to Black German Futures". Holocaust and Genocide Studies. 39 (1): 40–56. see p. 8 of this pdf
  • ALT1: ... that Mandenga Diek from the German colony of Kamerun is the earliest known African-born citizen of the German Empire? Source: https://heimatkunde.boell.de/de/2023/02/23/ploetzlich-hatten-wir-eine-afrodeutsche-geschichte-die-rolle-der-schwestern-diek
    https://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/familie/mandenga-diek-abenaa-adomako-schwerze-deutsche-94300?reduced=true
  • ALT2: ... that the German wife of Mandenga Diek was saved from persecution by a family photograph? Source: Reiprich & Ngambi ul Kuo 1991, p. 72
  • ALT3: ... that the harassment of Cameroon-born Mandenga Diek and his family in Nazi Germany was first made public in the 1986 book Showing Our Colors: Afro-German Women Speak Out? Source: [6]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Storm Ulysses
• Comment: There are a lot of both sad and great stories here, not just "first Black German citizen". Happy for any hook suggestions.

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 60 past nominations.

—Kusma (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC).

• The article was moved to main-space on 4 May 2025 and nominated on the same day. It is thus eligible.
• The article is (very) well-sourced. I did two spot checks and they checked out.
• The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
• Regarding QPQ: You have provided one QPQ, but DYK is now in backlog mode while it was not during the nomination of this article. In this situation, I was asked to provide a second QPQ but I am unsure whether this is indeed correct. As a very experienced DYK-contributor you might clarify whether a second QPQ is necessary for your nomination.
• Hook review (Original hook): I like the first hook, but I am not satisfied that the source really contains the stated fact. The source says that the Hamburg authorities denied funds for Mr Diek to settle in Cameroon for racist reasons - but this is different from denying him the possibility of resettling in Cameroon.
• Hook review (ALT1): While the source does indeed contain the stated fact I am baffled by it. People of African descent have lived in Germany for centuries (e.g. Anton Wilhelm Amo). Even if the source claims that Diek was the first with citizenship, I respectfully question the reliability of this.
• Hook review: (ALT2): The hook is interesting and stated in the source and the article. I approve it.
• Conclusion: @Kusma: Thank you for creating this very interesting and important article about Afro-German history. I approve ALT2 if you can confirm that only one QPQ is needed. WatkynBassett (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Thank you @WatkynBassett for reviewing this so thoroughly. As for ALT0, I was trying to capture the source's "Officials stressed that enabling the Dieks to settle in Cameroon would not “be in the interests of maintaining white authority”—thus the fact that he had entered into a mixed marriage precluded him, a colonial subject, from returning home." but you are right that some of the nuance has been lost. For ALT1, there are surprisingly few early Afro-Germans (at least compared with the situation in major colonial slave trading powers like England). The descendants of Franz Wilhelm Yonga are probably worth investigating here. Anyway, as the German Empire was only founded in 1871, I do not find it surprising that the first naturalised African citizens appeared in the 1890s. But I am happy with ALT2.
    For the question of number of QPQs, we use the time of nomination to determine whether it is backlog mode or not, not the time of review. —Kusma (talk) 15:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
    • @Kusma: My issue with ALT0 is that the Hamburg authorities denied him funds for white supremacist reasons, but apparently did not block his entry into Cameroon. So I would have no concerns with a slight rephrasing highlighting the denial of funds (e.g. "that Cameroon-born Mandenga Diek, who obtained German citizenship in 1896, was denied funds to return to Cameroon due to his interracial marriage?") While I normally would avoid the term "interracial marriage" it seems necessary here. What do you think? WatkynBassett (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
      • It was specifically a problem that he wanted to take his white wife with him. Maybe try to be as precise as possible?
        • ALT4: ... that the naturalised German Mandenga Diek was denied funds to return to his native Cameroon because he wanted to bring his German wife?
      • But I can't quite make it sufficiently snappy. If this doesn't work for you I do not mind going with ALT2. —Kusma (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
      • @Kusma: I find it snappy and very good. Thanks for the good work. I approve ALT4. WatkynBassett (talk) 21:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)