Talk:Kahanism

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2023

add {{Fascism sidebar}} Gorgonopsi (talk) 08:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

https://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-meir-kahane-the-extremist-kahanist-movement

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1985.9969820 Gorgonopsi (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. While the fascism portal is already present on this page, the sidebar is far more visible and so editors may have WP:WEIGHT concerns regarding it's inclusion. —Sirdog (talk) 04:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. I think that like the title of your second source puts it, quisi-facism. If we start labeling every Far-right and Racist group of people fascist, the term loses all of its original political and historical meaning.

Honestly, Kahanist should be called Jewish supremacists, Jewish terrorists, Jewish racists or something to that effect because they don't hold political power, and they seem to be pushed by a theology based rhetoric with a group cohesive modeled after USA black panther groups which in the cases of Kahanist turned into racism.

So no, using the term fascism is both a bad describer and leads us farther down the modern day road were we label everything far right as fascism thereby cheapening that very real and academically defined ideological label.

Edit: I forgot I was gonna end with a statement that if we stretch the definition of fascism, technically, we should be relabeling a lot of governments and organizations as fascist, not the least of which would be the Hamas and Taliban government's.

[Haaretz article about Kahan]

[Fascism had no ideology]

RCSCott91 (talk) 02:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Text Source needed and possible rewording.

"The party, and the Kahanist movement as a whole, have been described as espousing Jewish fascism."

"Netanyahu's hard-line new government takes office in Israel". BBC News

"Israel moves sharply to right as Netanyahu forms new coalition". BBC News

Neither source makes reference to the Kahanist or fascism, as somebody who remembers the terrorist attack in Hebron at the Ibrahim mosque at the Tomb of the patriarchs, this statement is most likely factual. Although, going through nearly all the web available references, I cannot find reference to any Kahanist descriptions with Jewish fascism.

Having said that, the above excerpt needs a source supporting it and the statement should be reworded so as not to sound like a bandwagon fallacy statement. RCSCott91 (talk) 15:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2024

Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,[22]

Change to,

Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should adopt Jewish law. Use in line source the Meir interview, it's listed as source 1 in article but working link is at bottom.

Change reason:

The current in line source is the chapter six of kings, Mishnah Torah, which has nothing to do with the original assertion. Technically, you could make reference to Maimonides', "guide for the perplexed" but based on Meir Kahane's interview, listed in article as source 1, source down below, Kahane does not take Maimonides' requirements of a resident alien of Israel nor the rights granted to them.

Maimonides only requiring them follow the 7 noahide laws whereas Kahane requiring them to follow Halacha which is the entirety of religious Jewish law which is supposed to only be binding to Jewish people. Ger toshav being Maimonides' concept and Kahane concept being different based on his interview. Kahane makes it clear he wants Israel to adopt Jewish law, which would make enforcement pretty impossible without first adopting the laws.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020612060815/http://www.kahane.org/meir/interview.htm

RCSCott91 (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC) RCSCott91 (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the direct citation to Mishnah Torah. This article needs work, but in the past it has had problems with POV-pushing. I'm not sure that Kahane was consistent on this issue. In "They Must Go", he does (claim to) cite Maimonides on the status of non-Jews in Israel, including for a requirement that they obey the Noahide laws and accept servitude and a total absence of political rights. Zero^talk 03:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

"Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,"

Change to,

"Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enact his interpretation of Halacha,"

Reason: This falls both in line with his books, his interviews, and is proper verb use since Israel currently does not have Jewish law. It also doesn't make a sweeping statement about Jewish law, which Kahane much more often refers to by the proper term Halacha, the bulk of which being a collective set of legal arguments.

Although, Kahane references Rambam a lot, he references a lot of the sages in his books. Leaving that possible remnant of Kahane's interpretation of Maimonides' from an earlier edit in such an authoritative statement would lead a reader to believe that Maimonides' held those views/rulings.

The below book source, fully covers Kahane 3 options for non-Jews in Israel as an inline source.

https://archive.org/details/uncomfortable-questions-for-comfortable-jews-nodrm
RCSCott91 (talk) 14:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2025

Add Betar US to the list of Kahanist groups, it's described as such in it's own article and that fact should be reflected here LushSahara (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 17:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)