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On 10 May 2013, it was proposed that this article be moved from HVAC to Heating, ventilation and air conditioning. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Requested move 3 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning → HVAC – This was attempted before, but I think it is worthwhile to make a new attempt. Per MOS:ACROTITLE, this abbreviation is primarily used for this subject and the subject is known primariliy by its abbreviation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Here is a link to the previous discussion. It looks like one guy wrote oppose, but agreed with the name change (I think he was confused about what the vote was about). Also, as you mention, MOS:ACROTITLE wasn't a thing back then. Also, a quick search in Google Scholar even seems to agree that most academic literature appears to use the word HVAC, and news articles use the word HVAC as well. Fephisto (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not in UK it isn't. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Why on earth would we move something away from an obvious and clear title to a term only likely to be commonly used by those in the industry? Maybe not in America (although I can't believe the acronym is commonly known even there), but certainly in other countries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because the title of the article is practically an entire sentence? Fephisto (talk) 02:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And your point is? It's still a lot shorter than many other titles. It's clear and unambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're going through customs. The form asks for your profession. You write down "Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning?" They're going around the room asking people for their professions. One person says "plumber," the next says "taxi driver," another says "engineering," another says "professor," you say "I work in heating, ventilation, and air conditioning?" Fephisto (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And your point is? Most people would probably say "heating engineer" or "ventilation engineer" or "air conditioning engineer", depending on their particular speciality! But that's irrelevant to Wikipedia titling in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Jargony initialisms are thoroughly unencyclopedic. "HVAC" redirects to this article if that is what the reader is searching for. We are here to provide knowledge, not American-industry-specific convenience. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 14:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's also the article in Turkish, Polish, Hungarian, Norwegian and Italian. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which? "Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning" or "HVAC"? Julietdeltalima (talk) 19:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As a HVAC tech off wiki I have to oppose this I think that having each word spelled out and explaining it then using HVAC/HVACR is better for the average reader. I do think its important to keep the terms HVAC and HVACR near the top of the article.

Bobherry Talk My Edits 02:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

HVAC V= Ventilating vs Ventilation

Heating Ventilating Air Conditioning is the proper compound for HVAC. The "V" being Ventilating not Ventilation. This is not semantics. This should be obvious to a Mechanical engineer with a minor in linguistics. For the rest of us, we can look at the history of the creation of the acronym. As any HVAC professional would know, The American Society of Refrigerating and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) and their lineage is what shaped the entire industry. Their history starts with the American Society Of Heating and Ventilating Engineers (ASHVE) in 1895. The ASHVE changed to HSH&VE then the ASHAE ( American Society of Heating and Air Conditioning Engineers). ASHRAE Was formed in 1959 by the merger of ASHAE and American Society of Refrigerating Engineers (ASRE) founded in 1904. The ASHRAE handbook origin first published in 1922 by the ASH&VE as the Heating and ventilating guide. Today ASHRAE publishes this as Principles of Heating Ventilating and Air Conditioning Ninth Edition and Describes it as key HVAC fundamentals. All the information I have provided here. Except the first four sentences comes from articles found on the ASHRAE web site, This in itself gives this credibility. Also note in every case "V" stands for ventilating. White hair guy (talk) 05:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Separate Section for Air Handlers in Energy Efficiency

Looking to Wikipedia editors for a question on adding updates for energy efficiency topic: There are companies developing different air handlers specifically for energy efficiency improvements. What's the best location for this specific topic? It could be placed within "energy efficiency" topic or as a separate sub-topic within the description of the HVAC components. These updates provide a foundation to write additions to the article that report changing standards considered by ASHARE. Suggestions and input appreciated. SciTechWrite (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New top image

I boldly added File:HVAC system diagram.jpg as the new top image, showing the main components of an HVAC system. It is not ideal, but it is closer than what we had so far as an overall image. What this article really needs is a diagram showing main components *and* building airflow, and this is the closest I could find on Commons (search Commons), but it doesn't show airflow in a building. Ideally, a regular here could contact the wonderful folks at the WP:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop and request a custom diagram specifically for the purpose. There are tons of images out on the web, nothing ideal afaict, but maybe a mash-up of some of the better ones might do, such as the (copyrighted) images here or here, and plenty more.

If you can describe it, the graphics lab folks can build it. If one or more of the regulars at this article with good HVAC knowledge could volunteer to start a GLI request, and give a textual description of exactly how a diagram should look and what components it should contain and what the callout labels should say, and maybe add a few links to web diagrams that come close without quite nailing it, I think we could end up with a great diagram for the top of the page. GLI requests are not instantaneous, there is a backlog, and it is an iterative process, as they won't necessarily nail what is in your head the first go-round, but you can refine it and ask for modifications to get it closer. If it is too vague, they might not respond, or get bored and leave it when it is nowhere near ready. There is a knack to describing a visual in words so that someone else with zero domain knowledge gets it, and if you have the domain knowledge (which I do not) I've done this enough times that I can help write an explicit request so they can build it. If there are web images that are close, that can save a lot of words, and you can describe how to mash up several images to get what you want, or close to it. Keep in mind they are volunteers, too, so this may take some time, but it is worth it. If someone is willing to collaborate on this, let's discuss wording below, before submitting it as an illustration workshop request. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]