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Focus in only on the Christian God of the Bible put the other ‘God’s’ separately these arguments are for the Christian God of the universe there’s a problem of requiring a trans philosophy of theocratic theology as if conjoined with other mono theisms, this creates a false argument when connected with non Judeo Christian epistemologies and metaphysics. Christianity especially Catholicism teaches of a mono theistic religious teaching one God consubstantial in the Trinitarian teaching and eschatology of Man’s purpose and anthropology therefore uniquely distinct. Please consider these as a set of different teachings. 92.234.203.209 (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but not for the same reason. "God" is used in a general sense to refer to a supreme being. Wikipedia already shows that different religious and philosophical belief systems have different names for God and conceptions of God. The term "deities" is irrelevant and should be removed from this article. Bezora (talk) 05:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree on the deities call. While, yes, Wikipedia shows all the different names of different gods, deity is still commonly used to refer to a 'god' in polytheistic religions due in part to the term 'god' being connotative of belief in one god. While the article does a good job parsing between the different beliefs, it is a helpful tool for those to understand which religious context it is referring to. DomLus (talk) 15:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of these arguments are shared between the three major Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), in that their scholars copied them off each other – and those arguments were in turn heavily influenced by arguments made by Hellenistic pagans (such as the (Neo-)Platonists). Claiming they exclusively prove the existence of one specific religion's God is ignoring their history. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 00:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't seem to "deal primarily with Christianity". The editor who tagged this may have conflated classical theism with Christianity. The classical theist conception of God has historically been the topic of interest in the philosophy of religion, so not much can be done about this. Bezora (talk) 12:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the Ancients, myths were stories worth reflecting thereupon, but not dogmas. So, it would be fallacious to infer a metaphysical belief from the myth of Sisyphus. Greek-Roman religions had some metaphysical beliefs, but broadly speaking they did not have Scripture. So, the myth of Sisyphus wasn't Scripture and need not reflect Ancient metaphysical beliefs. Religion was the worship of the gods, rather than stories about the gods. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking for info on "Argument from ancient ignorance" (i.e. the lack of knowledge about the vastness of the universe, scientific concepts, or other phenomena in ancient religious texts indicates that these texts are not divinely inspired. The argument posits that a truly omniscient being would not have omitted such fundamental knowledge if the texts were meant to be a comprehensive guide to reality.) Is it somewhere but I haven't found it? Or should I write it myself? (I'm not an expert) Or is it not worthy of a page or section? Thanks Talk toSageGreenRider21:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have an original argument, Wikipedia is not the place for it – Wikipedia is supposed to only include arguments from high quality published sources (academic journals, non-self-published books, etc) – so either find one of those sources that makes this argument – or get to work on getting it published in one of them.
That said, I don't think your argument as described actually is an argument against God's existence – it is an argument against claims of divine revelation in the Torah/Gospels/Quran/etc – so even supposing your argument is 100% successful, while that would disprove Judaism/Christianity/Islam, it wouldn't disprove theism as a philosophical doctrine. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 09:50, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This has a place I think but not as cast by SageGreenRider. When I saw the § title I presumed it was essentially that gods were the way that people explained nature when they were ignorant. Maybe the article should be titled Arguments for or against the ... because that's what it is. To argue a thing is to give it presumptive credence, perhaps because this is the pervasive view that people like myself who dismiss arguing the matter, it doesn need to appear but another entry like the others that presume the question is worth asking is unworthy of effort. Lycurgus (talk) 22:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Brand new Wikipedian here. Was trying to add in what I thought was some necessary information, but it got edited out. I just wanted to know if there was something I should have added to my edit about how the problem of hell does not take into account the popular theory of annihilationism, or is there a separate reason as to why that should not have been there. DomLus (talk) 15:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This edit seems to border on original research. Please see WP:OR, WP:V, and WP:RS - the claim is not self-evident, so it needs an inline citation from a credible source. If you can find a high-quality book, article, etc. that relates annihilationism to the problem of hell, you can WP:CITE it in a new edit. You also seem to have marked this edit as minor, which is incorrect - no edit that makes substantive changes is a minor edit. Anerdw (talk) 16:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand what the "problem of hell" has to do with the existence of God. One can be a theist without believing in eternal damnation – there is a long history of universalist views in Christianity, even though they have always been a minority; there is also some evidence for existence of such views in Islam (e.g. some interpretations of Ibn Taymiyya); most Jews (even among the ultra-Orthodox) don't believe in eternal damnation, except possibly for the very worst of the worst (e.g. Hitler), but certainly not for the vast majority of humanity. This whole section seems to be confusing popular Christianity with the much more basic question of God's existence. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 00:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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