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... that economist Elizabeth Ellis Hoyt has a library in Paradise View, South Africa, named after her in recognition of her work in Africa?

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/image/325241647/?match=1&terms=%22elizabeth%20hoyt%22%20economist She received a Fulbright award in 1950-51 to study Africa and out of that association grew a correspondance between Miss Hoyt and eventually more than 150 African libraries. A library in Paradise View, just north of Pretoria, South Africa, was named for her in 1970.

ALT1: ... that Elizabeth Ellis Hoyt's work on cost-of-living metrics is considered to have led to the creation of the Consumer Price Index in the United States? Source: https://historicexhibits.lib.iastate.edu/20thWomen/Listpages/hoyt1.html Elizabeth Ellis Hoyt (1893-1980) was a Professor of Economics (1915-1970) at Iowa State. She is best known for her association with early efforts that led to the creation of the Consumer Price Index, which is now used to gauge inflation and the cost of living.
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Created by CaptainAngus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

CaptainAngus (talk) 22:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: ~~The Works section needs to be cited. CaptainAngus~~ SL93 (talk) 01:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: Citations added, thank you! CaptainAngus (talk) 00:44, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. This is ready. SL93 (talk) 21:51, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The claim in ALT1 is far from uncontroversial. The Wikipedia article for Consumer price index doesn't even mention Hoyt, and if you ask the Internet who the inventor of the Consumer Price Index was, there are multiple competing theories. The claim that Hoyt is "considered the inventor" vs. "the inventor of a forerunner" isn't even consistent within the article itself. The article itself needs more work in order to be ready for the main page and scrutiny by thousands of readers. @CaptainAngus and SL93: Pinging. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: Is your concern more about ALT1 or the article itself? I also struggled with how to interpret the claims made by multiple sources giving various forms of credit to Hoyt for the CPI (here, here, here, and here). The specific wording in the article ("[Hoyt] compiled cost-of-living metrics into what is considered the forerunner of the Consumer Price Index") was chosen to reflect the claims in the sources, and ultimately is not inconsistent with the American CPI article. Looking at ALT1 now, that wording would probably need to be softened, but it's not clear to me which hook is being used for the DYK. What are your thoughts? Thanks! CaptainAngus (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CaptainAngus: The second sentence of the article still says, "She is considered the inventor of the modern day Consumer Price Index." Which is not the same thing. And it doesn't matter if another promoter selects ALT0. At minimum, that inconsistency should be resolved within the article. Even better would be to improve the article further. (I see you are a member of Women in Red; an editor there may be able to help.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: Ah, thank you for that catch! I made updates to both the article and ALT1. Would you help me better understand what the specific concern behind your request to further improve the article is? Every statement in the article is sourced, and I would contend that the article appropriately summarizes the majority of available source data on her--in fact, I wish there was more to cite! So, appreciate any further feedback! CaptainAngus (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article has a good outline but seems rather superficial given the number of sources available about her. I will see what I can do to help. Either way, maybe another editor can promote it. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: Wow, thank you so much! I appreciate your deep dive and amazing improvements! CaptainAngus (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I only got through "Early life and education". It is going to take some time because there is so much information about her, even if historians wish there sere more. But in general my advice is to read the sources more closely for detail. Cielquiparle (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CaptainAngus and Cielquiparle: What is the status of this?--Laun chba ller 10:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My big objection was resolved. I made some improvements to the top part of the article. I think the article could still be improved further, but maybe it's adequate for DYK and maybe more editors will help improve it after they see it on the main page. I'm involved now so can't review. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Approving ALT0.--Laun chba ller 18:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]