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Proposed merge of Popular Front for the Liberation of the Occupied Arabian Gulf into Dhofar Liberation Front

Its about the exact same organization, just after its rename 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an expert on this topic, because my knowledge of PFLOAG comes about from the Chinese side, focused on Chinese relations with revolutionary groups. But I understood that PFLOAG emerged out of Dhofar Liberation Front.

If the decision is made to merge, wouldn’t it be better to merge into the more detailed PFLOAG page?

also if it merges what should happen to PFLO page? JArthur1984 (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with J Arthur. If a merger is done, it makes more sense for it to go the other way. Yue🌙 20:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The DLF and the PFLOAG are the same organization, all they did was a small rebrand (i.e. name change). I chose the PFLOAG to be merged into the DLF article since its the older article (the DLF article was created in 2005, compared to the PFLOAG article which was created in 2009), and because the ngrams showed the DLF to be a more common name [1], but it wouldn't really matter to which page we are going to merge them to.
~~As for the PFLO page, i think that it should be merged here, since, again, its the same organization but with another rebrand~~ 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 07:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I understand better now and support merger. I mistakenly thought PFLOAG separated. Merger of the three pages sounds wise.

Dhofar may also be written as Zhufar, is this correct? If I have that correct you may want to add Zhufar Liberation Front re direct JArthur1984 (talk) 15:44, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zhufar is one way to transliterate Dhofar, yes 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it? I'm pretty sure the PFLO was formed through the PFLOAG splitting to into two groups (the other being the PFLB) rather than simply rebranding. Charles Essie (talk) 02:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Essie ~~PFLOAG was renamed into the PFLO and the PFLB split away from it,~~ or at least that is what I understood from reading Fred Halliday's Arabia without Sultans 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 06:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was basing this on what the PFLOAG article said:

In 1974 the organization was divided into two separate bodies: the Popular Front for the Liberation of Oman and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Bahrain.

However, it appears the source used is another book by Fred Halliday, so I'll take your word for it. Charles Essie (talk) 16:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just went to double check both books since I have them, and, sorry, I was wrong. According to Arabia without Sultans:
On the political level, the Front reacted to the Iranian intervention of December 1973 by renouncing the claim to be organizing a revolutionary movement in the whole of the Gulf: in July 1974 the P F L O AG (People's Front for the Liberation of Oman and the Arab Gulf) dissolved itself into two constituents, the P F L O (People's Front
for the Liberation of Oman) and the P F B (People's Front in Bahrain). But despite this concentration on Oman, the Front
was unable to extend its organization effectively from Dhofar to the majority of the Omani population in the north.

and according to Revolution and Foreign Policy-The Case of South Yemen:
The difficulties which the Front then encountered in spreading its campaign to other parts of the Gulf led it, in 1974, to modify its goals again, and in July 1974 the PFLOAG divided into two parts - a People's Front for the Liberation of Oman, and a People's Front in Bahrain. The former was to continue the guerrilla struggle in Oman, the latter to persist in that underground political work in Bahrain which MAN and later PFLOAG members had undertaken since the latter part of the 1950s.
I take back the merge nom of the PLFO (and sorry for the confusion that I've caused) but I still support the merger of the PLFOAG article into this one 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:57, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But I think the change of name was also a change of goals and purpose, no? DLF was a separatist movement, limited to Dhofar region, while the PFLOAG no (and claimed to have as area of action all sultanates, emirates, etc. of the Gulf).--MiguelMadeira (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MiguelMadeira The DLF was originally founded by the "Dhofar Benevolent Society", and their ideology was, according to Fred Halliday, "Dhofari separatism and partial Nasserism." This had changed in July 1967 after former MAN members had joined the organization, took it over, and denounced the separatism (and the Nasserism, which was less prominent). This happened more than a year before the rename. The name changed after the Second National Congress where they also adopted scientific socialism as their main ideology and changed the scope of the organization to include the gulf region. Either ways, even if what you said is true, it doesn't change the fact that it was the same organization and what it had done is not really new. The National Liberation Front of neighbouring south Yemen had gone through name and ideology changes too (See: Corrective Move) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 12:27, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]