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The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is strong consensus that Masha Amini should be referred to as Kurdish-Iranian in the first sentence of the lead. Of the two dissenting !votes, their arguments have been answered in the comments from the supermajority of "Yes" !votes. (non-admin closure) Fieari (talk) 06:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Should Masha Amini be referred to as Kurdish-Iranian in the first sentence of the lead?
No She was born in Iran and unless she had some kind of duel citizenship the closest example at MOS:NATIONALITY is Isaac Asimov. Per the guidance of MOS:ETHNICITY, we do not add ethnicity ("Jewish-American") or country of birth ("Russian-born American"). These details can be introduced in the second sentence if they are of defining importance. This seems important enough to mention in the second sentence, but as far as the option presented in this RFC, Kurdish-Iranian isn't supported by MOS:ETHNICITY. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes per MOS:ETHNICITY, which says Ethnicity ... should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability, and the 30+ sources above demonstrate that in this case, it's relevant to the subject's notability. The sources almost universally describe her as "Kurdish" or "Kurdish-Iranian" or similar, and therefore so should Wikipedia. I'll also note that MOS:ETHNICITY is a section of MOS:BIO and applies to biography articles, and this is not a biography article. In any event, we should follow the sources when it comes to how to describe the victim. Levivich (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. MOS:NATIONALITY mentions exceptions, discussing the Spanish regional identities, which the status of Kurds is probably closer to, especially given it was relevant in the circumstances that lead to her death, plus the sources do it as shown above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. While her 'Kurdish-ness' does not seem immediately significant, the 30+ sources above demonstrate that in this case, it's relevant to the subject's notability. The sources almost universally describe her as "Kurdish" or "Kurdish-Iranian" or similar, and therefore so should Wikipedia. per Levivich. Pincrete (talk) 07:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No Not the norms. The WP:WEIGHT of coverage seems to favor just "Iranian", judging from *all* the first several I looked at were using that (BBC, NYT, FoxNews, Daily Mail, Washington Post, The Globe and Mail) and that looking at CNN I saw both usages so. Yes, you can find "Kurish Iranian" but it doesn't seem predominant, much less shown as hyphenated "Kurdish-Iranian". I also give weight to the arguments that the hypenated ethnicity is not the WP norm, and not a major factor in the story. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 01:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The translation of the inscription on Mahsa's tombstone.
The word "remz" is an Arabic word that has multiple meanings, the meaning used in the translation, to mean "code" isn't appropriate. Remz can also mean code depending on the context, but in this context it moreso means a symbol, [likely] meaning her name will become a symbol for oppressed women that desire freedom. MirUII8 (talk) 13:08, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that the TV channel Iran International is used as a source several times in the article. I do not think this channel is an objective source, as it seems to be funded by Saudi Arabia for the specific purpose of bringing down the Iranian government.
From the Wiki:
According to Middle East Eye, Iran International is a media platform for the Iranian opposition. Kourosh Ziabari of Al-Monitor wrote it "does not shy away from presenting itself as an opposition media organization" and frequently gives the microphone to guests who criticize the Iranian government. The channel has been referred to as an "Iranian exile news outlet" by Borzou Daragahi of The Independent.
The channel is known for raising the profile of Reza Pahlavi, the last heir apparent to the former Iranian throne, by constant coverage and repeatedly interviewing him. It also airs coverage of People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK), including live broadcast of their rallies. 2A02:AA7:4643:7FE5:D504:986B:8CA6:F852 (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources aren't unreliable just because they have a bias and having a bias against the oppressive Iranian government I'd suggest would be a good bias to have. TarnishedPathtalk01:12, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
