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"official website"

Is this really an official site? It claims to be, and to link to official Twitter and Instagram accounts as confirmation, but both of those are dead. Even if it once was official and valuable it seems abandoned and useless as a link now. --2A04:4A43:904F:FAD8:780F:6070:1E8F:4C77 (talk) 14:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Musician?

@Rhain: re [1], the article is categorised as Category:English non-binary musicians, which is why I added Category:Genderfluid musicians. I'm not familiar with the subject, so I make no comment about whether Ramsey is a musician, but the article should probably be consistent either way. Also Category:Singers are categorised as Category:Musicians, via various subcats, in this case, so some of those subcats would also imply that Ramsey is a musician. (For the record, I'm assuming that the existing Category:Genderfluid people was correct - it is apparently supported by one ref.) Mitch Ames (talk) 03:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the explanation and understand your reasoning. Ramsey is not a professional musician, so I've removed those categories altogether. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Autism

On Requests for page protection, User:Fatdogchuckie0123 requested to change the wording on this page from "Ramsey was diagnosed as autistic when they were 18" to "Ramsey was diagnosed with autism when they were 18", and in this edit, User:Toadspike fulfilled the request. I think this could be discussed first. Is it the better option? I'm not so sure. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 05:22, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would have just removed the word "as" prior to the word "autistic" to make it read better. The Vogue article in which Ramsey came out as Autistic uses both the term "autism" and "autistic" in verbatim quotes, so I don't think it's a matter of needing to change the wording to honor the personal preference of the article subject. Plus, considering it's the general consensus on Wikipedia that identity-first language should be the default when discussing Autistic people and culture, I don't think it's necessary to go out of our way to replace identity-first language with person-first language, particularly in such a trivial way. DoItFastDoItUrgent (talk) 05:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong opinion either way. I didn't immediately see a reason not to fulfill the edit request, so I fulfilled it. If there are now objections, I am okay with reverting it. Toadspike [Talk] 06:29, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, please do revert it, then, also seeing this request on the 'page protection'-page was Fatdogchuckie0123's first and only edit... They probably don't know about the general consensus on Wikipedia that identity-first language. Thank you! Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 07:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done - I restored the original wording. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 06:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A brief note on the development of the article

To future editors of this article, I hope you can expand and improve it. The truth is, it requires a lot of work. For now, it seems quite difficult. It's always good to remember that articles are collective efforts. Best regards. Rzt 7 (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All articles require a lot of work, especially BLPs, but "difficult" is rarely a word I would use for it. The process is the collaboration of many talented editors—including you, and hopefully many more to come. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 21:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And I wouldn't use the word "dramatic", but it doesn't matter. In the end, if someone can contribute to improving the article over time, it will be positive for the project. Rzt 7 (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to using words like "heartfelt" in Wikivoice, "dramatic" felt like an appropriate descriptor, though perhaps just "editorialised" was fine or "emotive" was a better alternative. In any case, thank you for your positive contributions. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:59, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no doubt that there will be better editors in the future, because if only one person is left editing, it won't be positive in terms of opinions and perspectives. Regards. Rzt 7 (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not strictly true—many editors have the ability to remain neutral in their work—but you're right that collaboration is the heart of Wikipedia, and a new perspective is never a bad thing. Thankfully, there's little to worry about with this article: it represents the work of many active contributors. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If u say so, I have no doubt u believe it, but that will be reflected in the article and in the edit summaries. Rzt 7 (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think it is already reflected—as I said, the article represents the work of many different contributors, yourself included—and I, too, hope this remains the case. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 14:17, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]