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Contradiction in population numbers of Assyrian diaspora in the USA

There is a stark difference between the 600,000 Assyrians reported to be in the USA (based on a proposed bill - not very strong evidence) and the (88,000) 91,000 counted in the 2022 census and reported on the page "Assyrian Americans" on Wikipedia. These differences should be addressed and the strongest sources should be used only. 82.102.225.221 (talk) 11:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Syriacs" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Syriacs has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 6 § Syriacs until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Genetics

In common with a lot of these types of pages, the Genetics section of this article has some problems. Not so bad that I was tempted to remove it. The first paragraph is okay. It is the following paragraphs where problems arise.

Paragraphs 2 and 3 present findings of single studies. These studies are primary sources. They are good for researchers, but not what encyclopaedic articles should be written from. Note how the first paragraph summarises everything using some secondary sourcing. That is how information should be presented. We should not be making big claims from primary sources, as it will introduce selection bias and encourage original research.

Things go very wrong when we jump into the haplogroups section. Although that section does indicate we are only talking about Y-DNA, nothing there tells us what we can, and more importantly, what we can't take from such studies, as compared to what we now know from autosomal DNA studies. Also, presenting raw data is not appropriate in an encyclopaedic article. What is the reader meant tto take from the 55% and 11% figures presented, and other such things? Is the reader aware that genetic data is, in any case, clinal? What could possibly go wrong with just presenting such numbers without support?! A sentence such as Lashgary et al. explain the presence of haplogroup R in Iranian Assyrians as... really embodies all of the above concerns. This section does not educate and inform, and this is a place where less is likely to be more. Stick to the overarching secondary sources, remove the primary sourced data, and just cite a source that itself cites the data, thus ensuring a balanced presentation that is verifiable and provides a process by which the data can be found. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:49, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of parties

Hi folks, please see User:Asilvering/List of ACAS parties and add your name there if this is relevant to you. Please note that this is not "parties" in the sense of parties to any kind of formal proceeding (like an arbcom case). I'm just trying to get a better understanding of who all is involved. Feel free to add other editors to the list, but do let them know you've done so. Thanks! -- asilvering (talk) 20:00, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do assyrians exist today?

Zephaniah 2:13 states that Assyria is no longer existing. Is this article about their historical remnant, or are we talking here about the Arameans, who clearly exist today according to the Bible? (In comparance). Just curious. 777network (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with verifiability and misquoting in the "Assyrian people" article

The article on Assyrian people lacks proper citations, particulary regarding controversial claims. Frequently, only book titles are mentioned without specific quotations or page numbers making it difficult to verify the Information. Moreover, many statements seem to be freely interpreted rather than directly supported by the cited sources. This approach violates Wikipedia’s guidelines on verifiability and reliable sourcing as it risks misquoting or misrepresenting original material. To improve credibility, the article should include precise quotations with page references and ensure all claims accurately reflect their sources. Otherwise, the questionable content should be removed or thoroughly rewritten.Felixfelix2025 (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Edessa emerged as a major center of Syriac Christianity and Assyrian cultural identity, developing a rich tradition of Syriac literature and theology. Osroëne retained some autonomy under Roman protection until its final incorporation into the empire in 216 AD." - Segal, J. B., 1970; Parpola, Simo, “Assyrians after Assyria

As an example, one of the recent edits discusses the Assyrian cultural identity of Osroene, but I was unable to locate the corresponding Information in the cited book.Felixfelix2025 (talk) 20:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In J.B. Segal's Edessa, 'The Blessed City' (Oxford, 1970), the discussion of Assyrian cultural identity in Osroene is notably present in Chapter 1, titled "Edessa under the Kings". This chapter delves into the region's history, emphasizing the continuity of Assyrian influence in Edessa (modern-day Şanlıurfa, Turkey).

In his article, Parpola emphasizes the continuity of Assyrian identity and culture after the fall of the Assyrian Empire. He asserts that the Neo-Assyrian Upper Mesopotamian kingdoms, including Osroene, were distinctly Assyrian linguistically, as they wrote in the Syriac language—a dialect of Aramaic originating in Assyria. These regions maintained Assyrian cultural and religious traditions, reflecting the enduring presence of Assyrian identity. Scholarlypast (talk) 03:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please indicate the page number, where this Information is found and provide the exact quotation? I find that your response appears somewhat interpretative and would benefit from more concrete evidence, which seems to be a recurring concern throughout the article. Felixfelix22025 (talk) 20:39, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Modern Assyrians share descent directly from the ancient Assyrians, one of the key civilizations of Mesopotamia." This controversial claim is not supported by academic sources and is instead linked to the Assyrian continuity article, which reflects a particular interpretation and has been the subject of neutrality concerns.Felixfelix2025 (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Parpola stresses that modern Assyrians trace their ethnic and cultural roots directly back to the ancient Assyrians, emphasizing continuity despite the political fall of the empire.

He differentiates Assyrians from neighboring Mesopotamian groups (like Babylonians) but acknowledges a shared broader Mesopotamian cultural heritage.

These themes appear mainly in the introduction and conclusion sections of his article, where he frames Assyrian identity in both historical and modern contexts. Scholarlypast (talk) 03:03, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, no clear source has been provided. For a claim of this nature a specific reference with an exact quotation is essential Felixfelix22025 (talk) 20:40, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"The Aramaic spoken by Assyrians today has an Akkadian substratum, preserving lexical, phonological, and syntactic influences from the ancient Akkadian language." The statement that the Aramaic spoken by Assyrians today has an Akkadian substratum preserving lexical, phonological and syntactic influences from the ancient Akkadian language is followed by a list of books without any direct quotations or page references. This gives the impression of POV-editing rather than neutral, verifiable sourcing.Felixfelix2025 (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Khan’s research on Neo-Aramaic dialects highlights how they have preserved elements of Akkadian, particularly because Aramaic gradually replaced Akkadian as the lingua franca but was influenced by it.

His book “The Neo-Aramaic Dialects of Modern Iraq and Iran” (2008) discusses these linguistic layers in detail.

Khan and other linguists argue that modern Assyrian Neo-Aramaic is not just a branch of Aramaic but also a living continuation with Akkadian substratal influences, confirming cultural and linguistic continuity. Scholarlypast (talk) 03:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are confirming my suspicioun that most of the entire article is based on pseudo-sources…either taken out of context or entirely non-existent!The entire article frequently cites book titles without providing concrete references or specific page numbers, which should raise concerns regarding the reliability of its sources. Perhaps this is something that Wikipedia administrators should review more closely. Felixfelix22025 (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Felixfelix22025 At the moment, I don’t have the time to look into this, so I will let the administrator handle it more closely. I am not active on Wikipedia anymore. Scholarlypast (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Felixfelix22025 At the moment, I don’t have the time to look into this, so I will let the administrator handle it more closely. It was my fault for not including the page number. I don’t remember exactly where, and I no longer have the books with me. I am not active on Wikipedia anymore. Scholarlypast (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Felixfelix22025 I didn’t know it would become such a big deal that I needed to include the page number. Scholarlypast (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]