Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music

Leo33

I think we might have a WP:TOOSOON case with Leo33. So far, the clearly notable Zach Top seems to be the only artist on the label who's released anything, and most of the coverage in the article is about Zach Top and not Leo33 proper. I would suggest this be draftified for a while until the label becomes more notable. Paging @Caldorwards4:, @Martin4647:, @Jax 0677:, @Sergecross73:, @CloversMallRat:, @Ss112: Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:42, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I kind of doubt it'd survive a close review of WP:CORPDEPTH. Sergecross73 msg me 18:27, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sergecross73: Any suggestions here? This discussion kind of fizzled out and CloversMallRat isn't interested in doing anything. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zach Top is clearly the spearhead for the label in terms of majority news since he's the big success story so far, but I don't see an issue here as it has received enough press to have a sufficient number of reputable sources (Billboard, Music Row), was started by notable industry executives with ties to big labels, and it has been signing several artists (who have released material even if it hasn't been on Top's level of success). If something like R&J Records can exist with virtually no sources, or Black River Entertainment who has only had 1 real success story in Kelsea Ballerini, I don't see the problem with Leo33 existing as it is. It's pretty clearly going to only continue growing as Top is on the precipice of being huge at the format, so there's no indication that the label will cease to be notable imo. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If your examples haven't survived any sort of scrutiny like a merge or deletion discussion, they're not good examples of what's acceptable. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or send to AFD - I think we should keep it, or at least have the conversation at AFD!. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing wrong with having a preliminary discussion before AFD to gauge things. Its not like it'd be deleted from this discussion alone. That said, its not particularly helpful to say "I think we should keep it" without giving any explanation at all. Sergecross73 msg me 20:46, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sergecross73: any suggestions on what to do with the Leo33 article? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

R&J Records at least had a large roster of mostly notable artists and was around for multiple years. Black River has had multiple chart entries prior to Kelsea Ballerini, and has received way more significant coverage. The current Leo33 roster is not notable except for Zach Top, and the label only began last year. I argue that it's a WP:TOOSOON and would probably be better served as draftified or redirected to Zach Top as an WP:ATD, unless someone has a better idea than that. As it stands, it's just too new a product to be notable, but may be notable in the future, so the current content should be preserved in some fashion. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:42, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

file:Ssmlt.JPG nominated for discussion

Link: Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 April 9#File:Ssmlt.JPG. George Ho (talk) 21:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kylie Minogue

I have nominated Kylie Minogue for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FA nomination for Vince Gill

I am looking for feedback at Featured Article Nominations for Vince Gill, which I am trying to get to featured article. Please check it out here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LGBTQ representation in jazz

New stub: LGBTQ representation in jazz

Collaboration welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution for a score?

In another project, I'd like to use some images from Wikipedia that are generated from the score module along the lines of what you get if you right-click and download the images in Peter and the Wolf#Instrumentation. Since these aren't actually uploaded images, they don't have their own pages with file attribution guidelines. Can anyone please point me in the right direction for correct attribution? Thanks! -- Avocado (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that attribution would be the same as for any text from Wikipedia, WP:CC BY-SA. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Katy Perry

There is currently a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Katy Perry regarding her studio album chronology based on her major-label debut. Please share your opinion on the discussion page. Thanks. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 07:43, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on guidance for bonus and alternative track listings

I've started an RfC about what guidance, if any, there should be for bonus and alternative tracks in album articles: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#RfC_on_bonus_and_alternate_track_listings. Thanks.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 11:52, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oricon charts (for anyone's interest)

Good morning everyone,

some weeks ago, I reached out to Oricon regarding the availability of the You Taiki page with contains the full coverage of every Charts published by the company. As I am currently focusing on Japanese musicians and bands I (and I am translating articles from English to German) some information like chart entries below 50th place in the Oricon Singles and Albums Charts (after implementing You Taiki and earlier entries bein archived online) I reached out the company asking if it is possible to get access from overseas and adding PayPal as payment method. Oricon replied to me some days later and unfortunately, they wrote that You Taiki is and will only be accessible in Japan and they disapprove the usage of the data from You Taiki (including chart positions and first-week sales, even I did not ask for using the latter).

This is the message Oricon had sent to me:

(Introduction deleted as it would show my personal name)
この度は弊社「you大樹」サービスにお問い合わせいただき、また貴重なご意見をいただき誠に有難うございます。
「you大樹」では利用規約におきまして以下のように定めております。

■第３条（申込の方法）１．本サービスは、日本国内に居住する個人のみ利用を申し込むことができるものとします。

よって貴殿におかれましては、「you大樹」のご登録、ご利用はできない状況です。
また、以下のようにも定めておりますので、想定されているご使用方法は不可となります。

■第４条（本サービスの利用について）３．会員は、本サービスの利用にあたり、次の各号に定める行為をしてはならないものとします。（1）コンテンツを複製、頒布、貸与、譲渡、公衆送信、送信可能化または上映を行い、　　　もしくは第三者をしてこれらを行わせる行為

何卒ご了承ください。
誠に恐れ入りますが、何卒よろしくお願い申し上げます。

オリコンランキング月額有料情報サービス「you大樹」：http://ranking.oricon.co.jp/
お問い合わせ先： ranking@oricon.jp

--Goroth (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's quite upsetting. Did they state why they disaprove of it being used outside of Japan?★Trekker (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable database sources for albums?

Hey all. I'm working with Wikiproject Unreferenced Articles and I was wondering if there's any good database sources that count as reliable that can be used for unreferenced album articles? AllMusic is clearly right out due to WP:ALLMUSIC, as is any other user-generated source like Discogs. So, what good non-user generated databases are out there for music? Silver seren^C 23:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Allmusic is still good for bio and album reviews, it's not as much as their database, but the usable content still has pretty good reach. But yeah, honestly, I'm not sure there are many. Unfortunately, in this day and age, most databases are user-generated, AI-generated, or Wikipedia-generated. There's aggregators like Metacritic I guess, but there's not usually much original content to be used there either. Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing wrong with using Allmusic for matter-of-fact confirmation of discographical information. Discogs is far and away the most comprehensive and reliable source in the world for anything discographical, but because it is UGC, you should use it and then not cite it. (This is silly, yes, but it is what makes a better encyclopedia.) More than anything else, you can trust the albums themselves as sources, since they are published works (and since Discogs usually has photographs of them, you often don't even have to have them on hand). An album is a reliable source for information about itself, just like a published book is. Chubbles (talk) 04:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Gira

A while back there was a long discussion on the Micheal Gira talk page about an abuse allegation against him and it's inclusion on his page. An editor claims that the coverage of the allegations shouldn't happen because he's "not a public figure", among other claims on why they think the claims should not be included. I have responded to several of them on why I think they are incorrect. I would like to have some other editors revisit this as I felt the discussion didn't really go anywhere with only a few editors involved. RF23 (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced articles June push

Please consider signing up for the June 2025 Unreferenced Articles backlog drive.
This project has over (>7000) recorded unreferenced article. Help us improve your project by adding citations and participating in the June push.

Someonefighter (talk) 06:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish country music

Jewish country music is a synthesis of ideas, a two-sentence stub with bad sources. I think it should go, as there's no info worth keeping or merging. The intersection of country musicians and Jewish ones doesn't seem to be a noteworthy topic. What say you, @Caldorwards4:, @Martin4647:, @Sergecross73:, @Another Believer:? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like something that could be a notable topic, but if there aren't sources out there then it should probably be AFDed.★Trekker (talk) 09:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Newly unreliable source - vinylmeplease

I've noticed a few new citations of blogposts by the website/e-shop Vinyl Me Please getting added to music articles. 99.9999% chance these posts are generated by AI, they have all the stereotypical hallmarks of AI generated writing, are unattributed, and come back 100% on AI detectors. Per WP:RSPCHATGPT they shouldn't be used.

The company just announced this year they were going out of business and the AI articles seem to be indications it is now a zombie linkfarm site. So older citations are probably fine. I don't know the cutoff date though. 68.174.163.248 (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merger

There is a discussion underway to merge Son of the Mountains with Brad Paisley. Your participation is encouraged here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Template talk:Infobox musical artist

There is a discussion underway to change parameters on the Musicians infobox. Participation is encouraged here. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 01:49, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Freddy Wexler article

Hello! I'm an employee of Beutler Ink, working on improvements to the Freddy Wexler article. I have an open edit request over on the Freddy Wexler Talk page and thought editors at this project might be interested. I avoid editing the main space because of my COI, so I'm asking others to review and implement appropriately. If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to address them over on the article's Talk page. Thanks! BINK Robin (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]