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New template!

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Hi all. I was bored of always having to manually cite the NESA and I'm sure I'm not the only one so I made the template {{NESA}} where you simply add an access date and a region and it cites the NESA.

Example:
[[Meldreth railway station]] has two platforms.<ref>{{NESA|region=LNE|access-date=22 June 2025|page=200–205}}</ref> outputs
Meldreth railway station has two platforms.[1]

Reflist

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  1. ^ "London North Eastern Sectional Appendix" (PDF). National Electronic Sectional Appendix. Network Rail. pp. 200–205. 7 June 2025. Retrieved 22 June 2025.

I'm not going to actively replace it where the NESA has previously been cited but will just use it going forward. Hope you enjoy using at and feel free to try improve the template yourself! Thanks, JacobTheRox(talk | contributions) 16:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest moving it to “Cite NESA” in keeping with similar citation templates? Danners430 tweaks made 19:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing Autotrain

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Could someone with better access to sources (like perhaps @Redrose64) give Autotrain some love? It’s got no sources and hasn’t since at least 2019, but I want to at least attempt to bring about some sourcing before nominating it for deletion. Danners430 (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest some thought is given to any overlap with Remote control locomotive, or whether indeed Autotrain might be merged into that article. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also there seems to be massive overlap with Push–pull train. -- Verbarson  talkedits 17:09, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reading that article is it not just a push–pull train?!? It has a loco at one end and what seems to be an early kind of DVT at the other. I would merge it into that as it seems more appropriate than remote control locomotive. JacobTheRox(talk | contributions) 19:18, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Autotrains were push-pull trains introduced about 1905 by the GWR by modifying tank locos to be remotely operated from what JacobThe Rox describes as "an early kind of DVT". the first trailers were converted from former Railmotors, an early form of Class 121 "bubble car". Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sort of. The GWR started to use steam railmotors (SRMs) in October 1903, but these had a limited capacity. The GWR's first auto-trailers were purpose built as such, and appeared from September 1904. Right from the start, they could be used either with SRMs (to effectively double the capacity) or with locomotives equipped with auto apparatus. No railmotors were converted to auto-trailers until 1915, but from 1905 some former hauled coaches were converted to auto-trailers. The terms "auto train", "motor train", "push-pull train" and "pull-push train" were essentially synonymous until the 1960s when we started to get non-steam push-pull trains such as the 4-TC sets on the Southern Region, or the Edinburgh-Glasgow service with Mark 2 coaches and class 27 locos. The latter would nowadays be termed "top and tail". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which leads us to yet another overlapping article: Top and tail. -- Verbarson  talkedits 07:06, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do we think it’s worth starting a merge discussion or shall we I just be bold and do it? Danners430 (talk) 07:36, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about we, but I certainly encourage you to be bold! The need is clear. -- Verbarson  talkedits 12:21, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We? I said we? I don't recall saying "we" :D I'll get on it! Danners430 (talk) 12:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've merged it into Push-pull train as that contains general history which seemed appropriate. Would someone with better source access than myself be able to follow up with some sources, since the content that was merged didn't have any sources of its own? Danners430 (talk) 12:48, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crossrail 2 navbox nominated for deletion

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I have nominated the Crossrail 2 navbox for deletion. Any comments for or against would be very welcome at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 July 6 10mmsocket (talk) 07:16, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Commencement of the Railways Act 1921

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 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

When did the Railways Act 1921 come into force? Please see Talk:Railways Act 1921#Commencement and reply there. Thank you. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:12, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the Act said "Here are the four sets of companies to be grouped. Get on with it however you like, but if you haven't sorted yourselves out by 1/1/23, we'll step in and sort you out." So it really came into force immediately, in defining the groupings, but the private railway companies were free to amalgamate/absorb/consolidate (as they had been all along) provided they ended up with the requisite four companies by the deadline. I don't think the government had to take any further steps. -- Verbarson  talkedits 18:22, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Verbarson: Reply there, please? Otherwise it gets fragmented. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stepford County spam

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There's an ongoing problem with people spamming articles with nonsense about a Roblox game called Stepford County Railway. It would appear, from this IP reply, that many are doing this specifically for "likes". Should we perhaps start revdelling such edits per WP:DENY? Danners430 tweaks made 11:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pinging @SunDawn Danners430 tweaks made 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to come and go in waves - probably when it gets mentioned on their forum and they descend en masse. Happy to help with the whack-a-mole. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe start with nuking this Draft:Stepford County Railway! 10mmsocket (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Although I can't nuke it myself (Not quite enough U235 for that), I have started an AfD Danners430 tweaks made 13:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even Roblox games (officially known as experiences) with over 1b visits don't get an article because reliable sources don't talk about Roblox games. Also see WP:BFDI as an example of why simply being popular doesn't guarantee an article. Only Adopt Me is one I can think of. JuniperChill (talk) 10:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One article which is barely RS is not notability and the draft only cites the wiki, which is not RS per WP:FANDOM. One could argue to ignore all rules considering its popularity but I think there would have to be some level of sourcing or the article would be forced to be OR. JacobTheRox(talk | contributions) 14:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In general, if I see a reply from anybody that starts "lol", I can ignore what they say as irrelevant nonsense. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13159 “Extant”

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Could someone with some knowledge around this loco contribute to the discussion at Talk:LMS Hughes Crab#13159 “extant”? Danners430 tweaks made 21:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Extant' is an excellent choice of phrase here. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can we keep the discussion on the talk page? I specifically requested people respond there so the discussion isn’t fragmented… Danners430 tweaks made 21:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Class 60

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Has anyone got a page number for the article in the 29 June 2021 (not sure if this is "June" or "July") copy of Railways Illustrated ([1]) reporting on the "preserved" Class 60s 60050 and 60086 moving to Kinsley? Our article says they are still at the Wensleydale Railway; they haven't been there since 2021. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 08:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Black Kite the full cite would be this: <ref>{{cite magazine|last=Green Hughes |first=Evan|title=Kinsley line-up complete |magazine=Railways Illustrated |date=August 2021|issue=222 |page=24 |publisher=Mortons Media Group |location=Horncastle |issn=1479-2230}}</ref> Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways/Archive 1 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 16 § Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways/Archive 1 until a consensus is reached. JacobTheRox(talk | contributions) 18:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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