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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junie Yu

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Please join the discussion if interested. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I had them reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Junie Yu and WP:NOTHERE by 1bisdak for WP:NOTHERE behavior there and in the article itself. However, there is a more disturbing pattern of LLM that has just been discovered. All their articles, including this one need to be scrutinized again if not wiped on grounds of serious breach of integrity, namely
Borgenland (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can argue Amay Bisaya's acting career alone can save that article from deletion; no comment on other articles. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They reverted draftification of Pangangan on grounds that they live there, no strong opinions on whether it affects things. Borgenland (talk) 13:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello. Can anyone here access IA web link (web.archive.org)? I can't access it in my case unless I try to redirect using "wayback.machine.org". Though sometimes the redirect doesn't work. On some rare occasions the redirect or (very rarely) the mother site (IA site itself) leads to a warning page similar to this. Generally, though, the IA web link doesn't work. I dunno if this is confined only to my ISP. See also my post on Wikimedia Commons. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:52, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actual topic link: c:Commons:Village pump#Commons:500px licensing data and Internet Archive link (not in permalink). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have also been unable to access web.archive.org for a couple of days, but www.archive.org works to some extent. CMD (talk) 09:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Same. The mother site is OK, yet the web.archive.org isn't. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems working fine on my end. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:16, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Same. I just archived a website today. D-Flo27 (talk) 13:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AstrooKai@Chipmunkdavis@D-Flo27
CONFIRMED. w:en:Converge ICT (Pampanga province-based ISP) has recently blocked IA's web.archive.org without clear explanation (as of this writing). See this Facebook post. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Or, the reasons for block are vague: the foreign, US-hosted site is allegedly violating various Philippine laws (like anti-p*rno laws, regulations on investments, and laws combating online fraud and scams), as claimed by the warning page that resembles this one. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Converge has indeed blocked web.archive.org due to such violations, there’s little doubt that other ISPs in the Philippines may follow suit.
Are we now facing the prospect of a broader crackdown on all archiving websites accessible in the country? Could this move against IA be just the beginning? After all, if IA did violate those laws, it stands to reason that other web archives have likely done so as well. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If filters blocking access to particular websites or web pages are put in place by individual ISPs or by countries controlling internet access gateways, I don't think that WP should consider that an operational concern or that WP editors should consider that an editorial concern. Also, I think that shorthand terminology above might lead to confusion. AFAICS, the Internet Archive (IA) did not "violate" any of the various RP laws listed on the warning page linked above ([1]). I have not read those individual laws, but I doubt that the RP government has jurisdiction over the IA. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While the Philippine government may not have jurisdiction over the IA, the government can order ISPs to have certain webpages blocked... or even the IA themselves can prevent Philippine ISPs from accessing their website (see some American websites geoblocking the rest of the world due to GDPR). Howard the Duck (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck IA remains accessible to a certain PH internet users, as long as their ISP isn't Converge. Converge users are having a hard time accessing IA.
@Wtmitchell kindly read the Facebook post of a concerned netizen, which includes the actual screenshot of a warning screen claiming that "web.archive.org" is violating certain PH laws. That screen was shown to me once on my phone browser after repeatedly trying to reload both "web.archive.org" as well as "wayback.archive.org" last Tuesday (which prompted me to post the matter here as well as on Commons Village Pump). Most of the time though, error message screen claiming domain was not found (e.g. DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN on my laptop browser). While PH government does not have any control on US-hosted websites, let alone IA, it is expected that any foreign-hosted platform or website must adhere to PH laws, as long as those are being used/enjoyed/consumed here. The VAT on foreign digital services that made news recently is one example of this. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. If you linked that FB post above, I missed it; I'm not going to search Facebook trying to locate that post -- if you'll post a link here, I'll look at it and comment. You say that it is expected (by whom?) that if someone in the Philippines looks at a web page, the website sourcing that page must adhere to PH laws even if it is located in some other country (my paraphrase). Right? Would that apply for all other countries as well? Can you provide a reliable source supporting that? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:38, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re: FB post, here it is.
Re: PH laws in relation to foreign sites and platforms, such laws are being introduced one by one, in light of increasing online usage here, especially after the pandemic period. One relates to foreign digital services (like Netflix, Nintendo Switch, etc.), as said in the article I shared (see the link just above your latest comment). Another one, in relation to e-commerce sites, is the Internet Transactions Act. Perhaps the copyright law (RA 8293) hasn't yet been amended by site-blocking legislation, but some of the pending site-blocking bills from the 19th Congress, like Senate Bill 2150 and House Bill 7600, grant the copyright office (IPOPHL) the power to authorize the ISPs to block websites hosting infringing content, "unless otherwise ordered by the appropriate court of law." JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hell, even sites hosted by Blogger have been hit by censorship bureau allegedly due to porn violations, even though there's a bazillion sites under that service that have otherwise innocuous content. Blake Gripling (talk) 02:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The relevance of Converge block vs. IA's wayback machine, on my part, is that it's harder to verify some images on Commons that are unambiguously taken from external sources, which their uploaders claimed to be under free license but are now unfree. See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Cephalopholis sonnerati, the tomato hind.jpg (BTW, I used "wayback.archive.org" while looking for older versions of the description page of the externally-sourced image). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also have converge as my ISP, it does seem that the main website does work its specifically web archive that is blocked it, i haven't seen the banner tho. I USE ARCH BTW (talk) 07:39, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll stop commenting on Converge ICT's blocking of IA (web.archive.org), from now on (I won't disclose the off-wiki reason). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Task force

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Hello, all.

It appears that an enthusiastic editor has created a WikiProject task force as part of your group, without telling you about it. The subject is a television show called Pinoy Big Brother. His prior message said that it would be a task force of a different WikiProject, but that other group rejected it. Do you all want this task force? WikiProjects are allowed to have as many or as few task forces as the group wants.

If you want this task force, then you don't need to do anything else right now. If you don't want this one, then please ping me or leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, and we'll get it cleaned up. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We need help on Philippine-related articles, but not Pinoy Big Brother crap. I just got a housemate article deleted the other day LOL. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the task force was created without prior consensus from either WikiProject. Personally, I don't think we need a separate task force dedicated solely to Pinoy Big Brother at this time.
There are already many areas within this WikiProject that require more urgent attention, and the current task forces still have existing backlogs. While there has been some progress, it's been relatively slow, and adding another narrowly focused task force could further stretch our limited manpower. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Royiswariii, pinging you since you have not replied to the relevant discussions in the past few days but continued to work on this task force, hoping you could explain your thoughts regarding this matter. AstrooKai (Talk) 04:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Royiswariii, pinging you again as you have not yet responded to this discussion about the task force. Please take a moment to address the concerns raised regarding the creation of the task force despite the lack of consensus from both WikiProject Big Brother and Tambayan Philippines. Continuing to work on this task force without consensus risks having it deleted, which could ultimately render your efforts here unproductive. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:43, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is this literally WP:IDHT? Howard the Duck (talk) 20:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you all want the pages deleted? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This depends on how you define "the pages". Howard the Duck (talk) 18:00, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See the list here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#c-WhatamIdoing-20250625185400-MSGJ-20250625145100
There would also have to be changes to Template:WikiProject Big Brother. I think the order of events would be Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion for the unauthorized subpages of Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines, followed by changes to the template (which belongs to Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother), followed by a bot run to remove uses of the template, followed by Wikipedia:Categories for discussion for the cats. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:40, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is an unauthorized one-man project (the antithesis of a WikiProject). We don't need WP:BURO for anti-collaborative measures. Just delete everything, reprimand the culprit, and move on. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:14, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother. Please go there and comment. The more editors participating in this decision, the better. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1988 Naga, Camarines Sur, local elections

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As always, you can always comment if you want to, but this will be an acid test on where Wikipedia draws the line on local election articles, at least for the Philippines. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother

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Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother, a task force within this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother, and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Anyone are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TV season articles

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What's the stand on TV season articles? We even have seasons of TV show segments, such as Category:Tawag ng Tanghalan seasons. A random viewing, such as Tawag ng Tanghalan season 6 has its references excclusively from ABS-CBN, which fails WP:PRIMARY.

We don't have publications such as TV Guide, and online resources that would pass WP:RS for these things. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do have concerns for bloat, particularly if this leads to a hypothetical merger of the MMK seasons for example. On another note, it's been two years and I still haven't finished translating every episode title. Borgenland (talk) 15:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We can have MMK seasons as a list... provided it satisfies WP:NLIST. I've WP:PROD the Clash and a couple of segment seasons from It's Showtime. There's already an AFD for Rainbow Rumble seasons 1 and 2, and there were concerns of too much intricate detail on such articles. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Randomly checked Maalaala Mo Kaya season 22, and all but three releases are from ABS-CBN PR's department, failing WP:PRIMARY, while the remaining three are bordering on WP:PRSOURCE. If all articles are like these, these would also have to go. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of St. James Community School

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Notice

The article St. James Community School has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced and unimproved for more than 13 years. No other language has an article from which to translate. No reliable sources online Google; literally one total hit on Google news. Run of the mill school.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bearian (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball § Proposal to standardize lead sections for the PBA Finals articles

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball § Proposal to standardize lead sections for the PBA Finals articles. ScarletViolet 12:01, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On a side note, it is also a problem on Philippine elections. Borgenland (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Elections do not have "formal names", and there had been slow motion edit wars between "The 2022 Philippine Senate election was the...", "The 2019 election of members to the Senate of the Philippines was the..." and "A senatorial election was held on November 8, 1971...". The second one even violates MOS:BOLDSYN, which I suppose was the main issue of this thread.
The PBA Finals have formal proper names. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:21, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have been involved in elections elsewhere and it appears that I count only a few countries (including us and the US) who break AVOIDBOLD. Last year I have had the dubious honor of nearly getting into an edit war on Sri Lankan elections with a single-minded editor who tampered on every election in that country on the mere grounds of Americentrism and to discredit my argument that every election in Sri Lanka was in compliance with AVOIBOLD. Borgenland (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2024 United Kingdom general election boldfaces "2024 United Kingdom general election" on the lead sentence. This is something that has to be discussed centrally. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 1995 Philippine Senate election lead sentence evolved this way:
  • 2005: "Legislative elections and local elections were held in the Philippines on May 8, 1996."
  • Dec 2010: "The senatorial election was held in the Philippines on May 8, 1995." This was changed by me, and changed the focus of the article to just the senatorial election.
  • Mar 2020: "The 1995 election of members to the Senate of the Philippines was the 25th election to the Senate of the Philippines." This was changed by EDITOR685422.
FWIW, I would have preferred what is used in 2024 United States Senate elections: "The 2024 United States Senate elections were held on November 5, 2024." This is sorta like what's written on the 2025 Philippine Senate election lead sentence. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Manila's 6th congressional district#Including representatives who were proclaimed as winners but did not take oath

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Re: Joey Uy case. Also includes several historical cases. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:21, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel free to drop your thoughts or suggestions about my proposal on the Philippine MoS. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:PLDT Volleyball Club (women)#Requested move 26 June 2025

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:PLDT Volleyball Club (women)#Requested move 26 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 15:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine Science High School campuses

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There are 12 articles about Philippine Science High School System's campuses nationwide:

Most of these articles are either poorly referenced or completely unreferenced. Are these campuses truly notable independently of each other and of the main system? If you have reliable sources to demonstrate their notability, please help by adding references. Otherwise, I would be happy to see them nominated at AfD. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies of maps of Isabela

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I just found that the administrative division map of Isabela on the Isabela (province) page is different from the maps on the individual municipalities.

Comparison

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Vs. The maps from individual municipalities examples are below

- In this map, the Cordon is surrounded by Santiago City, but on the province map page, it borders Ifugao and Ramon, Isabela

- Main one here is Ilagan on the province map is landlocked, while on the city's page it has coast.

Can someone tell me what happen here and which map is correct? Thanks Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 00:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Miminity: The first map here is correct. It's worth noting that those municipality locator maps are woefully out of date. I've been thinking of getting those recreated for a while now. Chlod (say hi!) 02:05, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an actual correct map of Isabela anywhere? Isabela was redistricted a few elections ago and some districts do not make sense (are not contiguous) on any map lol.
The first one seems to be the "most correct", as the four maritime towns are the only ones with a coast. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to contact whoever uploaded them in the first place? Borgenland (talk) 14:24, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On another note, see this contradictory map from the Provincial Government, regardless of WP:PRIMARY, [2]. Borgenland (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not WP:PRIMARY; the map came from Rappler. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Magalhães created the Isabela locator map series. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FYI. Issues regarding Isabela's map was first discussed nearly 13 years ago. In the intervening years, I don't think we are close to resolving this, unless you want to trust the widely circulated 2015 PSA/OCHA dataset ([3][4]), which I know is inaccurate in too many places but maybe good enough for indicative locator maps. —seav (talk) 19:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DDS sock network

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Notifying all concerned of this newly-discovered network Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wimayo featuring targeted and suspicious editing on Duterte family-related articles. Thanks to @Hariboneagle927 @Thewideawake1 @Patrick Cristiano and @Oshwah for helping clean-up things. Borgenland (talk) 16:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was intrigue when this popped up on my watchlist because of the thread's name, lol. It's wild that someone would go to such lengths in creating multiple accounts, just to engage in this kind of behavior. I doubt there's no COI involved. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:22, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: Also coordinated vandalism on Far Eastern University-related pages. Hopefully not from the other UAAP schools. Borgenland (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Census

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Sharing the general link for those willing to revise every LGU in this country [5]. Borgenland (talk) 19:25, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will try to update pages for Region 2 later. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 00:07, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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