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Working on a Chicago Bulls dynasty article

Hello everyone,

I have just started a draft on the Chicago Bulls dynasty which I need some help working on. Can anyone please help me work on the draft? Wcamp9 (talk) 18:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Isn't this pretty much covered in the Chicago Bulls article? Alvaldi (talk) 19:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Should develop further there, if needed, per WP:AVOIDSPLIT. Somewhat surprised Chicago doesn't already have a Category:NBA history by team page. —Bagumba (talk) 02:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

It should be, and the second half fairly well is, but parts are lacking, especially for the first three-peat. I checked and the entire section is only 191 words, at an average of 64 words per championship. It's pretty abysmally written too, just noting the regular season wins if it was a franchise record, and rattling off the playoff opponents. Just for reference, the 1990-94 Mavericks, who were terrible that whole period, have 179 words per season. This should be significantly expanded (a lot of it can come from Jordan's article, which is much better written) but as of right now it is not satisfactory in my view.

On a broader note, the only article of this sort that we have (to my knowledge) is that of the Showtime Lakers. Football also has the Brady–Belichick era. So it would be unusual but not unprecedented. I suspect if you're covering the whole decade there's probably enough sources for the 90s Bulls to have an article, although I will leave it to editor discretion whether it's wiser to make one or expand on Chicago Bulls#History. Ladtrack (talk) 05:06, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

FWIW, several pertinent sub-sections of the history section at Chicago Bulls are tagged with {{unreferenced section}}. Is there a reason why those aren't being worked on first before considering a split? Left guide (talk) 06:55, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Good article nomination notice

2025 EuroLeague Final Four has been nominated for good article status if anyone relatively uninvolved is willing to review it; simply follow the instructions on the talk page banner, thank you. Left guide (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Toyota Center

Toyota Center has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:29, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes

 You are invited to join the discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes. Left guide (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ANI § User:Kelpongames continued disruptive editing

 You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ANI § User:Kelpongames continued disruptive editing, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Left guide (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Malcolm Grant (basketball)

Malcolm Grant (basketball) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

EuroBasket paywall business

Hi all,

I was looking into potentially creating an article for a player who had a lengthy career in Europe. However, the Eurobasket site is paywalled so I wouldn't be able to make a good career page. Anyone have access to that, or know of a place to find European career records without a paywall? Etzedek24 (Talk) (Contribs) 06:06, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Etzedek24: What is the player's name? I can assist with Eurobasket detail. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:11, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Harry Boyce. Thanks much for your help! Etzedek24 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Posted at your talk page. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Tristan Jass new article - YouTuber/aspiring basketball player

Just flagging that a new article has recently been created for Tristan Jass, a YouTuber and aspiring basketball player. At present, the article does not appear to meet Wikipedia's BLP or general sourcing standards. The subject is a social media personality who seems to be pursuing a career in professional basketball - see here. He has not officially debuted in a regular season CEBL game as far as I can tell, so he might meet WP:GNG with more sources but he doesn't meet WP:NBASKETBALL (not that WP:NBASKETBALL means much anymore these days). Pinging the article creator (@Coolcrab5000:). What do others think? DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

None of the article's currently cited sources are independent of the subject. —Bagumba (talk) 02:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@DaHuzyBru and Bagumba: I've draftified it in light of the above concerns. Left guide (talk) 02:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

There's also puffery/tone issues in certain parts. Left guide (talk) 02:48, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry Coolcrab5000 (talk) 03:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Kelpongames again. Left guide (talk) 08:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to standardize lead sections for the PBA Finals articles

Hello. First of all, I have seen this lead section having blue bold links when it is about the PBA Finals, like this:

The 2024–25 Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) Commissioner's Cup finals [...]

But this is not the right thing. It violates MOS:BOLDLINK. I suggest, all articles related to the PBA Finals must have a consistent lead section, like what has done in NBA Finals-related articles. My suggestion would be:

The [YEAR] PBA [CONFERENCE] finals was the championship series of the [YEAR] PBA [CONFERENCE] and the conclusion to the conference's playoffs. It is the [ORDER] championship series of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA)'s [SEASON].

Also, such wording like "The [TEAM A] and [TEAM B] competed for the ... overall championship contested by the league" is redundant, and needs to be removed.

What do you think? ScarletViolet 11:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have no problem with these changws. See also how UAAP Season 87 basketball tournaments, etc. l Howard the Duck (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Support the BOLDLINK issue. Borgenland (talk) 13:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Possible Disruptive Editing

Could one of more experienced editors kindly spot check some of the recent editing by 162.83.200.39 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). They have a history of problematic editing and I am concerned that some of their recent additions may be improperly sourced or factually inaccurate. Unfortunately the subject is outside of my personal realm of expertise. Please ping me if there are any significant issues. Thank you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: They were warned earlier about unsourced changes, especially regarding breaking news. But some recent edits now seem to be sourced.[1] They are still removing text related to an open discussion; I reminded them to pause and participate at the discussion. Overall, they're not a vandal, but still (slowly) learning Wikipedia conventions. —Bagumba (talk) 03:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bagumba Thank you. I will AGF for now and remove my finger from "The Button." -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bagumba: They are still removing text related to an open discussion; I reminded them to pause and participate at the discussion. Those removals are fine, I've been following that series of edits. 162.83.200.39 is challenging new bold content additions that stray from style consensus by Dissident93, who now needs (and is attempting) to establish consensus at that linked discussion per WP:BRD and WP:ONUS. Ideally, reverts would be paired with edit summaries, but we can't expect perfection from IPs. Left guide (talk) 04:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I wouldn't call reverts "fine" when they are aware of a discussion on the area. Per WP:EW:

Editors engaged in a dispute should reach consensus or pursue dispute resolution rather than edit war

IPs aren't treated any differently from a registered editor, and this editor seems to have been around for a bit. —Bagumba (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

When new edits are contested in good-faith, they can and should be restored to the status quo, lest we implicitly endorse WP:FAIT editing. Left guide (talk) 05:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

FAIT is a stretch here—Dissident93 doesnt appear to be making mass edits. —Bagumba (talk) 05:18, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Looking further, I notice that they've been warned multiple times about WP:CUTPASTE moves—I had just issued a warning without realizing I had warned them before, and there is User_talk:162.83.200.39#Your_edit_to_Trey_Jemison_III as well. I now also see that you have blocked them for a month before. What is your take on the text removal discussion above (which I'm involved)? I was going to block for a short period for the cut-and-paste moves, but you'd be in a better position to judge how to proceed, based on the added history. Thanks in advance. —Bagumba (talk) 05:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I oppose any block per WP:AGF unless a specific large pattern of ongoing or recent disruption in diffs can be shown. There is nothing block-worthy related to the linked WT:NBA discussion; that's the result of the IP making good-faith challenges to new style additions. Re: cut-and-paste, blocking over just one C&P attempt since their last block nearly four months ago seems like overkill, especially in proportion to their sourcing and content additions which, as you noted, appear to have improved. If you and/or Ad Orientem still think a block is warranted, please raise it at WP:AN or WP:ANI for more input from uninvolved admins and community members. Left guide (talk) 05:54, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Ad Orientem appears uninvolved and capable to decide on their own, if they choose to. —Bagumba (talk) 06:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Their lack of communication in response to the wall of warnings, even after being blocked twice, is not encouraging. But for now it sounds like they are trying to work constructively and their likely good faith errors don't strike me as sufficiently disruptive to justify an immediate block. If the situation changes, let me know or report the matter to ANI. I tend to take a restrained approach to blocks, but given their record there is not going to be an endless level of tolerance here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Chaska Hawks Girls Basketball

There is an editor who seems focused on creating articles for individual sports of Chaska High School. There was consensus to redirect the gridiron football page back to the main school article, so I wanted to flag Chaska Hawks Girls Basketball for this project's consideration; what do we think about its worthiness as a standalone page? Left guide (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Template:Anyang KGC current roster

Hey, Template:Anyang KGC current roster is unused and seems out of date. If anyone can help figure out if still needed (and fix it) or if it's not needed, let me know so I can send it to TfD. Gonnym (talk) 09:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

The team is now known as Anyang Jung Kwan Jang Red Boosters and is still existing. I dunno if this being not updated merits it being deleted... Howard the Duck (talk) 10:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

It not being in use, is. Templates regularly get deleted for that reason as it shows that among other things, that the community has no interest in it. Gonnym (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Tony Tolovae

I’m creating a Wikipedia article for Tony Tolovae to help raise the profile of Australian basketball players. I’d be truly grateful for any suggestions. Thank you!

[snip draft article]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexHuang8FG (talk • contribs) 12:17, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Teahouse#Tony Tolovae for discussion of this draft. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tony Farmer#Requested move 17 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tony Farmer#Requested move 17 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 03:22, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

De-linking city in infobox

Hi. Jellysandwich0 has de-linked Melbourne in Dane Pineau's infobox citing MOS:OVERLINK. It's not typical across WP:BASKETBALL for the city to be de-linked. How do others feel this should be handled? Is Melbourne, Victoria a compromise per nearly every American basketball player. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:52, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

MOS:OVERLINK says:

…major examples of the following categories should generally not be linked:

• Settlements or municipalities (e.g., New Delhi; New York City, or just New York if the city context is already clear; London, if the context rules out London, Ontario)

So by the book, if Melbourne is considered a "major settlement or municipality", it should not be linked. If the basketball project is systemically contravening the MOS on this matter, it may be a form of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Left guide (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

It's quite weird there to leave the state linked though,[2] when MOS:GEOLINK would link the city. FWIW, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar doesn't have NYC linked. —Bagumba (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

So per MOS:GEOLINK, [[Melbourne, Victoria]], Australia would be acceptable? DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:34, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

They seem to be counter arguing MOS:OVERLINK for Melbourne. A more compelling case would be whether a less major city like San Diego could be San Diego, California, instead of San Diego, California. —Bagumba (talk) 09:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Michael Jordan series

Template:Michael Jordan series has been nominated for merging with Template:Michael Jordan. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Left guide (talk) 21:50, 29 July 2025 (UTC)