Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 July 9
- Template:Leaders of the largest cities in the world by GDP (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Fatally flawed concept, as shown by years of unresolved issues on the talk page. Problems:
- City GDP is defined by statistical metropolitan areas, which often don't match the city as a political unit. These people don't necessarily actually lead these economic units. (For example, the 2 million person city of Paris which Anne Hidalgo is mayor of is only a tiny fraction of the 13 million person Paris metropolitan area.)
- Many major cities are missing, because metropolitan areas made of combined cities are excluded (arbitrarily and inconsistently). For example, the mayor of Dallas is not here, since GDP statistics are only given for the metropolitan area of Dallas-Fort Worth, even though Dallas almost certainly has a much larger GDP than Rio de Janeiro. However, the mayor of New York is here, even though the metropolitan area is New York-Newark-Jersey City. Similarly, it's likely that at least one of the mayors of Osaka and Kyoto should be on the list.
- It's built on inherently inaccurate data - there's no definitive listing of cities by GDP and sources vary wildly (every source I can find ranks the German cities differently). GDP is hard to calculate even at a national level, and modelling it at the city level takes a lot of estimation and assumptions.
- It's just bad and incomplete - there are no Australian cities, no Singapore, and Eurostat has a dozen metropolitan areas with larger GDPs than Frankfurt. This is theoretically fixable, but the other issues are not. Smurrayinchester 16:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Cite standard (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Effectively unused. Can be replaced with {{cite report}} in the mutilated handful of pages it's present on. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Template:Cite tech report. Proposed in this discussion six years ago, opposed with good reason at the time, created as a redirect, and never adopted by editors.
Replace with Citation Style 1 templates as appropriate.This template page was a redirect for a while, and then was turned into a wrapper with just one parameter set to an inflexible value after this discussion. That change does not appear to encouraged its adoption. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:26, 10 July 2025 (UTC) - I still believe the template itself is a good idea, because standards are often cited badly. I’m not sure the implementation is the best it can be. I also understand that apron has been very low. Shrug emoji — Christoph Päper 07:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- All this seems to do is inform future editors that the technical report being cited is a standard. Template:Cite ISO standard is a better model to follow for other standards bodies. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)