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May 20

Shopping malls opened in recent years

If you look at the categories of years shopping malls established, why are there very few malls opened and established in United States as of 2010s and 2020s, compared to Asia, where it opened in large numbers? Why is this a case? And why do malls in USA due so quickly while the other malls outside United States are much better thriving? Please use a mindset again please. 2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9 (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's the statistical basis for your premise? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The number of shopping malls in United States, compared to Asia. Also the malls are commonly seen opened in Asia and Europe other than United States. See it here: as of 2020s 2600:387:F:4B16:0:0:0:9 (talk) 07:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No new malls have opened in England for at least ten years, and those we have are struggling to stay afloat. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The categories of shopping centres/malls by year only lists shopping centres that have an article and have been categorised by year, which means the the authors of the article know the opening year and took the trouble of adding the right category. That makes the list far from complete. The shopping centre I grew up with, on the outskirts of a provincial town in Western Europe, has no article. Only if you know the biases in the list, you can use it for any statistics. PiusImpavidus (talk) 09:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The USA pioneered shopping malls, so will have begun to approach its 'saturation level' (where enough are present and suitable sites have mostly been used) earlier than other countries. Further 'mall demand' will largely be driven only by the country's population (and prosperity) increase, but latterly this will have been countered by the steep rise in online purchases for home delivery, reducing the need for 'bricks and mortar' shopping facilities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.170.37 (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using North Kansas City as an anecdote: Metro North Mall was a very popular shopping mall. The owner wanted to increase profits. So, the owner kept increasing rent and fees on the businesses until they were ready to leave the mall. While that took place, the owners purchased land a few miles away and began construction on an outdoor mall called Zona Rosa. In other words, Metro Norh is a mall where shoppers are indoors the whole time and Zona Rosa is a mall where shoppers go outside to go from store to store. The owners realized that the rent and fees for a store with external walls and doors all around is significantly higher than the rent and fees for a small parcel inside an indoor mall. Most of the clients in the indoor mall quickly moved to the outdoor mall, leaving the indoor mall abandoned. Now, the original indoor mall has been demolished. The point of this anecdote is that it isn't that the public prefers to walk around outside in Kansas City's blistering summer heat and brutal winter freezes when shopping. It is that the mall owner wants more money and gets more money with an outdoor mall. So, it is expected that there will be less indoor malls for new construction while outdoor malls (not included in the mall counts) are increasing. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 14:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the need for shopping malls has already been fulfilled in the US, or aybe online shopping is having an effect? Alansplodge (talk) 13:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you bother to read my reply (and links) above, posted nearly 24 hours before yours? :-) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.170.37 (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't just quantity as well. Consider the Jumbo shopping centre in Vantaa, Finland. 86,100 square meters with 119 shops. Sticking to the Nordic area, consider the Nerstranda mall in Tromso, Norway. 12,000 square meters with 30 shops. Both count as malls, but they are not equal. It will get very complicated very quickly to accurately identify how much mall space and how many stores are opening and closing rather than rounding everythign up to a unit of one mall. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Malls are an endangered species. The numbers of their preferred prey, the brick-and-mortar shopper (Consumerus pedestriani), are declining (curse you Amazon). The mighty herds of yore are no more. According to Capital One Shopping's Mall Closure Statistics, projections indicate the US's estimated 1200 malls (2025) may be down to 900 by 2028, "the number of malls declined 16.7% per year from 2017 to 2022" and that "up to 87% of large shopping malls may close over 10 years". Clarityfiend (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of largest shopping malls in the United States says the 2nd largest is American Dream Meadowlands which opened 2019 (the same Meadowlands the New York NFL teams play in). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]