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Hi there! First time asking for a peer review on any of my pages. I've decided to link this page in specific because because I want to hear what others think needs to be in the list for myself to nominate it for FLC. Any comments are appreciated.

Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 00:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy of NatureBoyMD:
In lieu of doing the Peer Review myself (because it may be more beneficial to have a fresh set of eyes give you some feedback), here are some things I'd do:
  • Have a look at List of Nashville Sounds no-hitters to see not just what I'd do, but what I did. (I'm sure you already have. BTW, I only took it through Peer Review because there weren't enough items in the list for it to achieve featured status (10 minimum).)
  • Reduce the lede to the bare minimum... just a summary overview/totals
  • Add a history section that walks through each no-hitter and gives the important details of each (who, when, where) and anything else significant (one baserunner shy of perfection, runs allowed despite no hits, etc)
  • Check the grammar of the existing prose. Then check it again and again. Currently, I see a sentence beginning with a lowercase letter and lots of subject-verb agreement problems (ex "Seven was pitched" > "Seven were pitched")
  • Have a look at MOS:NUMERAL... Typically, numbers greater than nine should be in numerals (10, 11, 12...) and less than 10 should be spelled out, but there are exceptions.
  • Add some color to the template header, like in the other lists you've worked on. I'd try black text, white background, red top border, black bottom border (or maybe yellow bottom? I might like yellow better.)
  • Add more info to table. I'd personally add number of baserunners, catcher, and notes (first whatever...)
  • You've got numbers beside Duke Markell and Dave Vineyard to indicate multiple IL no-hitters, but those indicators aren't needed here.
  • I'd want to know for sure if the August 11, 1914, game was ever continued instead of leaving it unknown.
  • As possible, I'd try to use only box scores (from newspapers or milb.com) as the reference in the table and articles for the prose.
  • You'll need a reference that their 20 no-nos is an MiLB record.
  • As a general note, be careful when copy and pasting, you often leave another team's name instead of changing it. Also, don't feel like you have to use the exact same prose and just change the team name, date, score, etc.
  • NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TBJ10RH (talk) 13:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NatureBoyMD While I am doing this, I want to ask on what I should do regarding Danny Boone's & Bill Moore's no-hitters since they didn't record a walk but wasn't marked a perfect game. I can exactly make a note on what happened since I am unsure of that situation. If you have feedback, lmk. TBJ10RH (talk) 05:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, do I need to go on newspapers.com and look through many newspages for starting lineups back then in order to get the catcher? TBJ10RH (talk) 05:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you should be able to find the box score or an account of the game. 11:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC) NatureBoyMD (talk) 11:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than a walk, there could have been an error, hit by pitch, dropped third strike, or defensive interference. Box scores and newspaper accounts should provide all the details. NatureBoyMD (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate it mentor :) TBJ10RH (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NatureBoyMD Another Question; Should I bulletin the catcher segment too if there are 2 catchers? Carreon was the starting catcher before Madden pinch-hit for them.
via User:TBJ10RH/sandbox21 TBJ10RH (talk) 18:57, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Provided the catcher actually caught any number of innings, yes, I would list them. Maybe use a similar format to pitchers in a combined no-hitter (ex Joe Catcher (8 inn.)). NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NatureBoyMD Not sure where to figure out how many innings they each catched for. No newspapers.com source provides that. TBJ10RH (talk) 02:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the next day's papers from Rochester & Buffalo, hoping to find a detailed account of the game that would help, but was unsuccessful. I'd just add a note saying (in so many words) Madden was the starting catcher and Carreon was substituted at some point. Also, be sure to list Madden first, use {{sortname}} with his name (but not Carreon's) for sorting purposes, and drop the bullet points. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright! TBJ10RH (talk) 03:20, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point #1: Done.
  • Point #2: Done.
  • Point #3: Working on it.
  • Point #4: Working on it.
  • Point #5: Done.
  • Point #6: Done.
  • Point #7: Done.
  • Point #8: Done.
  • Point #9: Done (Wrote as Disputed).
  • Point #10: Done (Pretty much).
  • Point #11: Working on it.
  • Point #12: Done.
The Peer review work is being done in User:TBJ10RH/sandbox21. TBJ10RH (talk) 03:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good afternoon @NatureBoyMD, hope you are doing well. I have a copy of the 2022 Media Guide for the Red Wings and they seem to have a list here for their no-hitters. Should I use this as the new list of the page or not?
https://img.mlbstatic.com/milb-images/image/upload/milb/wiqigiv3d5qivnmygyeh.pdf TBJ10RH (talk) 16:39, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, many outlets including MILB says they have 22 no-hitters but the red wings says "23" no-hitters TBJ10RH (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would use their media guide as a reference. While I haven't seen (or looked for) another source claiming only 22, I suspect these others aren't counting the 1908 no-hitter Rochester lost. While we're here, it's good to point out that you'll need to add the four no-hitters they accomplished before joining the IL (those of 1888, 1890, 1908, and 1910). Also, it's worth noting the team doesn't include the 1914 rain-suspended game that may or may not have been resumed. This may indicate it was resumed and the no-no broken up. It occurred in about the last month of the season, so it shouldn't be too hard to determine if it really was or not. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TBJ10RH: The Aug 11, 1914, rain-out was played off. (See: [1].) Rochester & Jersey City played two double-headers on Aug 31 & Sept 1. The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle accounts of the games don't mention the previous rain out. Unlike today, where a suspended game like that would be resumed where they left off, it would have been played entirely from the beginning. That said, I'd still include the tie game in the list, but move it from the "disputed" list into the main list with a note of explanation. NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Claims of 22 no-hitters from Democrat & Chronicle + MILB
https://www.newspapers.com/article/democrat-and-chronicle-wings/175342843/
https://www.milb.com/news/wings-darnell-may-combine-on-no-hitter-89120466 TBJ10RH (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Will start the process of adding the other no-hitters completed by Rochester & re-add the Bill Upham perfect game with a note back onto the list. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Although, I am taking a break from Wikipedia due to an illness TBJ10RH (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My illness is 60% through so I can start working harder now. Gotta hope I don't overwork myself again haha TBJ (talk) 02:57, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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