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Hi. I'm a relatively new editor, and I wondering how I would need to improve the article in order for it to be featured. I feel it's comprehensive (only slightly shorter than Gregory of Nazianzus, which is a FA), but I'm sure there are some matters I've overlooked so far.
Thanks, He to Hecuba (talk) 20:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
- Redtigerxyz's Comments
- Gregory of Nazianzus is not the best example to follow. It is a 2007 FA, which has many problems like uncited facts, missing page numbers, usage of primary sources etc. It should go for a FAR. Wilfrid is a better model
- "was named after Gregory Thaumaturgus": Who is Gregory Thaumaturgus? Adding a short summary "the 3rd century saint Gregory Thaumaturgus" adds some context. " Valens split Cappadocia" who is Valens? Amphilochius of Iconium, Desmothenes of Pontus ...
Done. I've clarified all of these apart from Demosthenes of Pontus. Nothing is known of Demosthenes apart from his name and the fact that he convened the synod of Ancyra. I presume it doesn't need to be as long as the article on Wilfrid, simply because there's so little extent biographical information about Gregory.
- Missing parent's names in the start of "Early life and education". Their names appear in St. Basil's article
- Will work on this. This isn't a simple issue, as his parents names vary in primary sources, and it's difficult to decide which secondary readings are correct.
- Add all/major names, if no consensus between scholars. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Will work on this. This isn't a simple issue, as his parents names vary in primary sources, and it's difficult to decide which secondary readings are correct.
- Which grandmother is Macrina the Elder? paternal/maternal?
- Done.
- " his brother: for instance, while Basil", exchange brother and Basil. When you read "his brother", it is unclear who are talking about? Naucratius, Peter, Basil??
- Done
- Who is synod? link jargon. Explain by short summary. Who are Cappadocian Fathers???
- I don't think the word synod needs to be explained in this context, but I've linked to it. It is explained who the Cappadocian Fathers are in the lede.
- I meant what are the Cappadocian Fathers?? Importance??? --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- "Gregory, his brother Basil of Caesarea and Gregory of Nazianzus are collectively known as the Cappadocian Fathers". They're just three saints who are venerated together in Eastern Christianity - major theological similarities and historical connexions.
- I meant what are the Cappadocian Fathers?? Importance??? --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think the word synod needs to be explained in this context, but I've linked to it. It is explained who the Cappadocian Fathers are in the lede.
- What are the primary sources of his biography? Add a section
- Will do, good suggestion.
- Primary sources of his theology? Writings? Add section
- Will do.
- Catholic Encyclopedia might help. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Will do.
- Add reference for "Died c. 395"
- His date of death is unknown. I can cite it to no. 15, but I see no real need - it's presumed by virtually every source that he died around then.
- Catholic Encyclopedia says after 395/6. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- See page 114 of the Brilll Dictionary. The latest mention of an event in connexion with him is 394, so 395/6 seems to be pure conjecture.
- Catholic Encyclopedia says after 395/6. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- His date of death is unknown. I can cite it to no. 15, but I see no real need - it's presumed by virtually every source that he died around then.
- What are his relics??
- Bones. There's very little information concerning them as his veneration is pretty limited.
- Say that. There are variety of relics like clothes, bones, personal objects etc. Right? --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- In Christianity, only the bones are generally considered a "relic" of the saint.
- Say that. There are variety of relics like clothes, bones, personal objects etc. Right? --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Bones. There's very little information concerning them as his veneration is pretty limited.
- " he was a homoousian, and Against Eunomius affirms the truth" something is wrong in this sentence
- What in particular is wrong ? --He to Hecuba (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be something like " and was against Eunomius, which affirms ... " --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- "Against Eunomius" is a book by Gregory. The sentence will be less ambiguous when I've written about his theological works in detail. --He to Hecuba (talk) 18:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be something like " and was against Eunomius, which affirms ... " --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- What in particular is wrong ? --He to Hecuba (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
--Redtigerxyz Talk 18:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I think that the lead should probably be expanded to mention (for example) specific contributions / theological positions. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 15:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)