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March 7

Pages with prefixes

How can a user find all the templates he has created? I can only find my user's subpages. But All pages (with prefix) does not show templates or other prefixes. Arbabi second (talk) 09:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم:. At Special:Contributions/اربابی_دوم click "Search for contributions", choose Template in the Namespace box, and select "Only show edits that are page creations". It gives [1] showing you created two pages in the template namespace, one of them a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you very much for your detailed and quick response. I'm sorry that I sometimes have to take up your time.

Arbabi second (talk) 10:51, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Question about OpenStreetMap maps

Hi all. The article Wythall railway station has an interesting OpenStreetMap on which a red line has been overlaid, marking a route. I can't figure out how it has been done (maybe it only works in the context of the "Infobox station" template used by that article), but it would be useful for some articles I have worked on or may work on in the future. Is it possible to do this on an OpenStreetMap outside the confines of "Infobox station"? Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I think I've figured this out: it is to do with "Template:Infobox mapframe" and Wikidata items associated with the relevant location/feature. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 16:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Outage?

Hello, I, and a fellow user (at a different location using different wiki), are unable to access the site: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/

We are holding a wiki editathon tomorrow and want to make sure that this issue is resolved. I'm not sure who to contact about this so I thought I would start here!

Thanks for your help! Shshepherd0 (talk) 15:57, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Shshepherd0: It was down when I started this post but it's up now. A phab: search on "outreachdashboard" shows many down reports in the last year. phab:T385477 sounds like Ragesoss (other account Sage (Wiki Ed)) is good to notify in case of problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Youtube video

Can I embed a YouTube video within an article, even if it is playable? Whatback11 (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Please see WP:YOUTUBE. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Whatback11. The Mediawiki software does not allow any external material to be embedded in an article: it would first need to be uploaded to either Commons or Wikipedia before it can be embedded. You may in some circumstances link to external sites - as well as the page 331dot linked, see WP:EL. ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

"Contradicts source"

Article Jihae (musician) claims her year of birth to be 1974, although this contradicts the source used which claims she was 27 ears old in 2016. Do we have some "Contradicts source" template? --KnightMove (talk) 17:11, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I've edited the article to point to the more probable birth year of 1989, as that's something the source can support. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

To mark such situations in the future, you can use {{Failed verification}}. CodeTalker (talk) 18:06, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the place where she claimed to be born in 1974? TheLegendofGanon (talk) 14:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

No. I just know for a fact that she must have been born much earlier than 1989. --KnightMove (talk) 08:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

What in God's name have I done here?

So, uh, yesterday I decided to gather a few more userboxen and add them to my (unreasonably huge) collection of them, and, for some reason, some of them are appearing as hyperlinks, as shown here (be sure to scroll down at the bottom of the page).

So... uh... yeah, there's that. I didn't think anyone could screw things up this miserably, but... here I am. If anyone here could lend a helping hand, it would be greatly appreciated! ☽ elm ^{talk to me} 17:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cedelmwood: when I edit and preview your page I get "Warning: Post-expand include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." TSventon (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon: Oh, dang... does that mean I have to remove them, or possibly continue my collection on a different subpage? It could be titled something along the lines of User:Cedelmwood/Userboxes/Continued. ☽ elm ^{talk to me} 18:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cedelmwood: I was going to say "yes", then I decided that you could probably answer your own question. TSventon (talk) 18:30, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

The page is in the hidden Category:Pages where post-expand include size is exceeded. The coding can sometimes be optimized but in this case you just have to reduce the number of userboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:40, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: @TSventon: Ah, alright. Thank you for all the assistance. ☽ elm ^{talk to me} 19:36, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Bug at cite 8

I am going through the coding of the article: Liu Jiakun; closing gaps/reducing spaces - which "SdkbBot" I think (not sure) is shown as "Task 1": User:SdkbBot. At cite 8: "<ref name="q133">{{cite web | title=" - attempting to close the space between "web" and the pipe causes an error notification in the References list: "Cite error: The named reference was defined multiple times with different content" Onemillionthtree (talk) 19:03, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Onemillionthtree: "q133" is defined twice in the article with the same code, I suggest replacing the second instance with <ref name="q133" />. TSventon (talk) 19:17, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

ref name="q133" & ref name="q133" / processed as the same? Onemillionthtree (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2025 (UTC) What/where determines the coding return/display for the coding screen? Onemillionthtree (talk) 19:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

It's explained in Wikipedia:Naming references for beginners, but you got it right in the article. TSventon (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

"<ref name="q133">{{cite web |" / "web|" the system reports the bug: "Cite error" at the second v. - is a security issue somewhere in the wikicode execution system? Onemillionthtree (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Onemillionthtree: The message "Cite error: The named reference was defined multiple times with different content" is generated because you have deleted a space in one version of "q133" but not the other and the system notices the second version is not the same as the first. I think that is a feature of how the code works not a security issue. TSventon (talk) 21:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Editor Onemillionthtree: Most of the edits that you have made at Liu Jiakun simply remove whitespace. That sort of edit is merely cosmetic and is discouraged. There are plenty of things in that article that need fixing. You might better benefit the encyclopedia by fixing those things rather than removing whitespace. Consider your example template:

{{cite web | title=刘家琨获2025普利兹克建筑奖：建筑应该揭示一些东西_艺术评论_澎湃新闻-The Paper | website=thepaper.cn | date=4 March 2025 | url=https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_30300947 | language=zh | access-date=7 March 2025}}

That should be written:

{{cite news |script-title=zh:刘家琨获2025普利兹克建筑奖：建筑应该揭示一些东西 |newspaper=The Paper |date=4 March 2025 |url=https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_30300947 |language=zh |access-date=7 March 2025}}

刘家琨获2025普利兹克建筑奖：建筑应该揭示一些东西. The Paper (in Chinese). 4 March 2025. Retrieved 7 March 2025.

Also, note the spacing that I used. That is the spacing that Visual Editor uses when creating citation templates; it is also the recommended spacing for bots (see WP:COSMETIC). Jamming parameter upon parameter without spacing is editor-hostile; it makes it more difficult for editors reading the wikitext.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I removed the space as it is only unnecessary bytes which increase loading times - SdkbBot is programmed to do this.Onemillionthtree (talk) 20:45, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Editor Onemillionthtree: Umm, nonsense. Between this version of the article wikitext (12,466 bytes) and this version of the wikitext (11,959 bytes), you removed only whitespace and the duplicate 'q133' reference. That is a difference of 12,466 − 11,959 = 507 bytes.

Clicking the edit tab for each of these versions loads the article wikitext, the wikitext editor, and some boilerplate:

for this version (wikitext: 12,466 bytes) the html size is 97,888 bytes

for this version (wikitext: 11,959 bytes) the html size is 97,339 bytes

The difference is 97,888 − 97,339 = 549 bytes.

At 19.2kbaud (remember those days?) the 'large' edit page will take 50.983 seconds to load and the 'small' edit page will take 50.728 seconds; a difference of 50.983 − 50.728 = 0.255 seconds. Not a noticeable difference in those olden days and trivially insignificant at today's much faster data rates.

You are mistaken about what User:SdkbBot task 1 does. You can see what that task does by inspecting the edits listed at Special:Contributions/SdkbBot. Task 1's purpose is to remove whitespace between the end of a line of text and the opening <ref> tag so that the article complies with MOS:REFPUNCT; see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SdkbBot. It does not remove or modify whitespace inside citation templates.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Views of 6 March is 14977 x 0.255 = 3819 seconds/60 = 63 minutes; as a group saves more than 1 hour of loading; which is considering the complete species and time on the globe: our progress as a species - with regards to the group being: individuals all of whom are interested in architecture. 0.255 is actually a definite difference (not a miniscule difference) I think you undervalued the difference 1/4 of a second makes to screen loading - especially for those whose computers aren't very powerful - plus the annoyance of other sites slow loading is a cumulative damage. Really it is a balance of how editors could cope with the difficulties presented by clustered text: as a practice - if the whole encyclopedia were changed to improve loading times that would make a difference globally - although as you state the difference individually might seem insignificant. I am here to take your advice - I don't want to jut make changes then find the complete effort is wrong obviously. Onemillionthtree (talk) 01:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views "In 2024, 296 billion page views" if the same time saving as "Liu Jiakun" is 296000000000 x 0.255 = 75480000000 seconds/60 = 1258000000 minutes/60 = 2096666hours/24 = 873611 days/365 = 2393 years. This indicates as a species we would have arrived in 2025 in the year 368BC as a representation of global time saving :) - obviously the range due to article size I can't possibly account for in my estimation Onemillionthtree (talk) 01:48, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

What this would mean/the significance is like stating: if I have to prepare for the stresses of tomorrow I could arrive from 368BC in the past as a liberty of time instead of arriving at todays problems tomorrow (being like trying to understand tomorrow from the year 2025 + 2393 = 4418 AD) it is not possible to make a crucial difference today without access of the possible today which saving 2393 years represents: comparing both possible realities. As you state, alternatively, it is easier for editors to make a difference with more space - so this (maybe) saves time - that editors arrive at solutions faster: as you propose. Onemillionthtree (talk) 02:01, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

If the difference for the whole of wikipedia were 0.001 seconds page loading improvement - this equated to approximately 9 years difference for the species. I suppose this is like stating time-travel would be possible (as an analogy of realities) in one reality, but not the other. Onemillionthtree (talk) 02:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

If the difference is:

0.000001 seconds loading time per page for the whole of wikipedia - this is 34 days saving for the species.
0.0000001 seconds is 8 hours for 2024-2025.
0.00000001 improvement for the whole of wikipedia if all wikipedia whitespace change caused this difference is 49 minutes difference - which is insignificant in human terms but as a time measurement comparison - isn't representative of reality.
0.(8)1 improvement per page is 4 and 9 tenths of a minute (54 seconds) difference.
If the global improvement of page loading per whitespace reduction were 0.(9)1 is 29.6 seconds
0.(10)1 improvement is 2.96 seconds difference.

Onemillionthtree (talk) 02:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

0.(10)1 is 100 picoseconds improvement per page still makes a difference - at least if I wanted to end 2024 with the correct time on my watch: comparing both realities. At the upper pico range the global time is still wrong. Onemillionthtree (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I didn't add the template it was in situ - I could make those changes though. Onemillionthtree (talk) 20:51, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Each time a console retrieved the page the spaces are included as a value; but the value is null - except for the matter of problematicizing future changes due to density of the textual element - I do appreciate this could be a problem. Onemillionthtree (talk) 20:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Creating an account while logged in

I wish to make an account to run a test. I can't do it while logged out, because my IP address is blocked. I know there's a page where you can create a new account while logged in, but I don't remember what it's called. Can anyone remind me? JBW (talk) 21:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Believe it or not, Special:CreateAccount. It will appear in your log. If your IP is ACB blocked, then some temporary IPBE may be needed. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:43, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

JBW is an admin so already has IPBE. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:04, 7 March 2025 (UTC)