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Save Our Children

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Uncited text, including entire paragraphs. Z1720 (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I count one paragraph without citations. At the end, starts "Political activism in American gay communities"

The rest are cited. Someone came through around 2009 and put in a bunch of citation needed tags that aren't needed. All the information is cited. They don't know or like what topic and linking sentences are. I never dealt with them because article watch fatigue is real.

Remove those cite needed tags and find a source for the paragraph mentioned. Simple. Moni3 (talk) 16:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moni3: Do you or any other editors want to check that the source verifies the information labelled with citation needed, and provide citations for the last two paragraphs in "Gay activism"? Of course, we are all volunteers so no pressure either way. Z1720 (talk) 16:25, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is a group project. Article maintenance should be in everyone's interest. To find a decent source you could google:

"act up" protest 1980s gay political activism direct action protest

and

"queer nation" "lesbian avengers" "pink panthers"

If no one volunteers to do this, i.e. add a source or two to this article, something I think is grossly simple, I will do it myself while being really annoyed that no one can do this. Really easy.

As for the citation needed tags throughout the article, I already know they're unnecessary. I wrote the article. Anyone else is more than welcome to check the sources. Group project and all. Moni3 (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moni3 dear, I'm glad you're back, even if it's for this occasion. We sorely need you, my friend, now more than ever. I suspect that this article has been brought to reassessment because these kinds of articles, as you well know, are subject to a higher scrutiny than many others. Same ole'—well, you know. I am out of town right now, for my sister's wedding, but I will take a look when I get back home, maybe tomorrow since I have a day off before I leave on that jet plane. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations to your sister. Feel free to catch up on my talk page. It's good to see you. Moni3 (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're really accusing Z1720 of specifically targeting this article when he is by far the single most prolific GAR initiator and is clearly targeting articles with old promotion dates and uncited text? What happened to AGF here? Please retract your entirely unwarranted aspersion in the interest of maintaining a collegial environment. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bro if it's not about the article, take it to the user's talk page. Basic Wikipedia functioning. Moni3 (talk) 13:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate that Wikipedia is a group project and that these fixes might be easy for some, I am already engaged with lots of wiki-projects and can't devote the necessary time to fix up this article. However, fFeel free to ping me when this is article is ready for a re-review. In regards to the citations: some of the statements with a cn tag might be verified by the subsequent footnote, but this will need to be checked before the tag is removed. Other statements, particularily at the end of paragraphs and the last two paragraphs of "Gay activism", will need to have citations added. Would it be helpful to add citation needed tags for some of the other statements that need them? Z1720 (talk) 13:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"but this will need to be checked before the tag is removed"

Who does this? What checking? Reading the sources? Which other sentences or paragraphs need citation tags?

For the paragraph with no cites currently:

Cite 1:

"The HIV/AIDS Epidemic and Public Broadcasting 1989-1991: Broadcasting ACT UP Direct Action" American Archive of Public Broadcasting website. Retrieved May 29, 2025.

Cite 2:

Amory, et al. Introduction to LGBTQ+ Studies PDF, Milne Publishing (2025). p. 3.1.12

Violence against LGBTQ+ Americans continued, including the rural murders of Brandon Teena and then Matthew Shepard. Both murders gained so much media coverage that they eventually became movies. Outrage against antigay violence and prejudice led New York ACT UP members to form Queer Nation in 1990 and inspired groups like the Pink Panthers (1990) and Lesbian Avengers (1992). Their direct actions to liberate sexuality and gender from heteronormativity were defiantly queer. A particularly controversial tactic was exposing the closeted homosexuality of antigay politicians and pundits. New federal hate-crime tracking confirmed the scope of anti-LGBTQ+ violence, indicating that over 10 percent of violent crimes motivated by bias against the victim’s identity were based on sexual orientation, putting that category behind only race and religion. Congressional passage of the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act (1994) included gay bashing as a federal crime to ensure fairer trials.[64]

Moni3 (talk) 14:21, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moni3: Any editor can check to see if the citation needed tags are needed, and remove them if the source verifies the claim or if another source is added as a citation. Z1720 (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Is your intention to wait to see if someone comes along to read the sources? It's my experience if you're waiting for someone to do that, it's not going to happen. The article stood for years with these cite needed tags. If you're holding the article in GA reassessment until that happens, I mean, we'll be here a while. Either way, keep me updated. Moni3 (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moni3: In my experience, GARs have two purposes: to outline the reasons why an article might no longer meet the good article criteria, and to see if an editor wants to address those concerns. If a GAR is open for a month and no one wants to make the necessary improvements, then an article might be delisted. Z1720 (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]