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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 8 June 2025 [1].


Nominator(s): Johnson524 04:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rico Krieger is a German citizen who committed sabotage work inside Belarus for the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). Motivated by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, he would blow up a railway line before being captured, subsequently becoming the first foreign citizen to ever be sentenced to death in Belarus. In a case involving multiple heads of state, duress, and an international prisoner swap: Krieger was returned to Germany in exchange for the release of a Russian FSB officer and hitman, a trade which concluded just last year. The article, a GA for over a month, has to be one of the most interesting and in-depth I've ever written, and if promoted, will be only the eighth Belarusian article to achieve FA status. Any reviews are truly appreciated, have a blessed day. Johnson524 04:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Are there no images of the subject?
  • Don't use fixed px sizes
 Done I've replaced the 'px' parameters with 'upright=1.1' and 'upright=0.7' parameters respectively. @Nikkimaria, do you know what to do about the multi-image template which requires 'px' parameters be used, or do these images have to be removed? Also, there are no free images of the subject, and when you ask what the copyright status of the building is, do you mean placing the template Commons:Template:PD-Belarus/en on the file page? Otherwise, it was released into into the creative commons by the original photographer. Thank you for the image review. Johnson524 05:09, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Belarus does not have freedom of panorama, so we need to account for the copyright of not just the photographer but the building as well. As to the template, not sure, sorry. Maybe ask at VPT? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you're saying. In that case, the template I linked wouldn't work. I found something interesting though... according to COM:FOP Belarus, Freedom of Panorama was outlawed in 2011, but this photo was taken in 2009, pre-dating that law. Is that how that works? Can this image actually be used, or does the law retroactively apply? If it does retroactively apply, then there might be another way. The part of the law that affects this picture: "[images] can be visualized, broadcasted or cablecasted, and publicly transmitted in any other way if such works continuously remain at the place with free admission" but are "not be the main object of visualization" both apply here, I think. Wikipedia/Commons aren't going anywhere ('remain in place'), will always be free admissions, and the use of this image on the page as a support to the larger article Rico Krieger as opposed to being the main object of discussion in an article say about the railroad itself, could mean this is fair use. This could really be a stretch though, sounding better in my head than in actuality, but what do you think about both of these @Nikkimaria? Cheers! Johnson524 06:27, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What you're describing is an exemption for non-commercial use - unfortunately for our purposes non-commercial is the same as non-free. As to the date, do you know what the law was before 2011? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done @Nikkimaria I don't even know where to begin to find this information. Better safe than sorry, removed image. Johnson524 04:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nikkimaria, I'm not well-versed with copyright questions, can we make a screenshot of him from the government video broadcast on TV and uploaded on YouTube? —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Such a screenshot would have the same copyright as the video broadcast. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Belarus-1, the state-run media which broadcast Krieger's duress confession, states at the bottom of their website that "For any use of materials, an active hyperlink to news.by is required". This is the only thing I can find on their whole website which talks even remotely about copyright/re-use, and since this is kinda sketchy and state-run media is not one of the things exempt form Belarusian copyright (COM:NOP Belarus), I'd err on the side of caution and say there's currently no fair use photos of him, unfortunately. Johnson524 04:29, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

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  • Kastuś Kalinoŭski Regiment. This is explained at its second mention. It should be at the first.
  • "Before his detainment, Krieger worked as a rescue medic for the German Red Cross". This is ambiguous as it could mean that he was working for the Red Cross when he entered Belarus. It needs clarification.
  • "as foreign volunteers for Ukraine had never been known to require the execution of such risky missions as an initiation to join". Presumably you mean "be required". The construction is clumsy.
  • The second paragraph of 'Biography' is confusing. It appears to be about the Belarussion version, but it is not clear whether it all is. "reportedly also had intentions to serve as a military doctor", "These intentions reportedly formed". These statements are vague. Reported by who? Presumably either by the Belarussians or by Krieger. It would be better to delete this paragraph (apart from the first few words) and explain what is certainly known, what is the Belarussian version and then criticisms of it.
  • You use "reportedly" seven times. This is vague and you should always say who reported.
  • "Krieger recounted this reconnaissance work for the SBU is true, even after returning from his later detainment." This is ungrammatical and vague.
  • "but notably no surveillance footage of Krieger actually placing the backpack on the tracks has been released." Why "notably".
  • This article is not up to FA standard as it is confusing. I think that you need to set out the Belarussian version in its own section. Krieger's version and the Ukrainean version, if there is one, should also be given separately, so that the reader can clearly see who is saying what. Is it known whether he was working for the SBU or for the Belarussians posing as the SBU? Why did he say he left the package on the railway track if he did not think it was a bomb? Dudley Miles (talk) 11:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note

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This has been open for more than three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, nothing has changed since Gog's note. I'm archiving this; the usual two-week hiatus before nominating another article will apply. FrB.TG (talk) 12:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.