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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Mirza Khalil Ahmad Baig. Thanks! Astra Travasso (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Astra Travasso: Done. Veritasphere (talk) 17:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mirza Khalil Ahmad Baig (June 24)

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The draft needs to cite more sources. As was said earlier, the subject is definitely notable enough for inclusion however.

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» Gommeh (he/him) 18:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Theroadislong (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lijil (talk) 06:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zohran Mamdani – Urdu spelling

Please see my latest edit at Zohran Mamdani. His official campaign website (which you willingly changed for a different reference) spells the name with a full و letter. Please stop changing his official spelling choice for what you prefer. Thank you. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IvanScrooge98: Thank you for your message. However, during Zohran Mamdani's Islamic wedding (held in Dubai), his name was officially displayed in Arabic script as زهران without the full و letter. This can be seen in the wedding signage in publicly shared photos and videos (see, from 4 secs). Therefore, the spelling Zohran is consistent with how the name was formally presented by the family at the event itself. Kindly consider that visual and cultural context before reverting Urdu spellings based on only English-language campaign material.

As for the "official" Urdu version on his campaign website, it appears to be a machine translation, not reviewed or written by a native Urdu speaker. Like 'دوڑ رہے ہیں – Dor rahe hain'.Veritasphere (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, I see. I cannot access the TikTok link you provided above, but thanks for the clarification. If you are able to link to a YouTube video or any more accessible footage/image from the wedding, please do so in the ref and change the spelling back to the short vowel. Sorry for the misunderstanding. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, never mind, now I managed to watch the video. Their names on there are spelled in Arabic, not in Urdu (hints are the form of the letter ه and the conjunction و instead of اور), so that would partly invalidate your claims. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IvanScrooge98: Thanks for checking the video. You're right... the script is Arabic, not Urdu but that’s precisely the point: the name appears as زُهْران (with a ḍammah, not زوہران), and there's no instance of a full و being used. That spelling reflects actual usage more faithfully than the machine-generated Urdu version on the campaign site.

Also worth nothing the Urdu script is a modified form of the Persian script, which itself is derived from Arabic. So observing Arabic orthography in real contexts still offers relevant insight, especially in the absence of standard Urdu stylization from a reliable source. Tamām. Veritasphere (talk) 01:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, "زوہران" is not a standard Urdu spelling; Urdu speakers commonly write the name as "زُہران" with Urdu 'Pesh' (Arabic Ḍammah).Veritasphere (talk) 01:08, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So you’re claiming the name is actually /zuhraːn/ [zʊˈɦɾaːn]? ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, no. Arabic and Urdu have distinct phonologies and do not represent every sound the same way – in this case, Arabic lacks the /oː/ phoneme entirely. And, looking into it, wouldn’t the زُہران spelling be a mismatch with that vowel sound, as presented in the IPA [zoːˈɦɾaːn] and the Devanagari spelling ज़ोहरान which we are pairing it with? ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IvanScrooge98: The name is never written as زوہران in standard Urdu; it is uniformly spelled زہران, following common conventions. Some sources even write ظہران ممدانی, but زوہران is virtually absent. IPA and Devanagari may reflect pronunciation, but Urdu orthography emphasizes standardized forms over phonetic spelling. Moreover, Zohran Mamdani’s own pronunciation shows clear English influence and lacks native Urdu articulation, making it an unreliable basis for phonetic rendering.Veritasphere (talk) 01:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well I’m asking ’cause I’m finding both forms in Urdu articles online, so it’s not “virtually absent”. I understand orthography might not be as uniform as in Devanagari, but apparently his name isn’t so straightforward to all Urdu speakers either. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 01:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe.. you're right that multiple forms exist online, but زہران is overwhelmingly more common in reputable Urdu publications [BBC Urdu, Independent Urdu and DW Urdu etc]. Variants like ظہران do appear occasionally, but زوہران remains rare and nonstandard in Urdu orthography. Thank youVeritasphere (talk) 01:32, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IvanScrooge98: Its /zoːɦraːn/ (ز with pesh). Veritasphere (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have amended the note in accordance with reputable sources. I still left the spelling with و because it would feel a bit off to me to completely remove it. Let me know how you think it looks. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 07:14, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good :) Veritasphere (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Astra Travasso (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]