User talk:Sims2aholic8

Sided stuff from the Eurovision discussion

It's important for me to further explain and share here that I brought those previous rationales for other awards, also for people who briefly commented to remove following your opening, who may not be aware or thought about those discussed before, and I didn't want a decision making in such a way without taking into account the vast discussions you also invested at. As I also wrote my appreciation for your efforts already there on my 1st comment.

I also brought your previous hesitations to remove - due to new awards surfacing, as to show understanding for your arguments now. It's important for me to note - I brought these links to contain and respect all yours, mine and others thoughts, back then and now. I was also overwhelmed for the shift 4 months ago and thought you may not remember any of those previous works, including yours.

Furthermore, as I linked on the project page, precisely when I previously showed the further extensive coverage studies; I also gave you links to a past discussion to remind our rationales from 2021, and you very much appreciated that and acknowledged it contributes to the discussion. So, I thought you would appreciate it also now. I worked for hours the past 2 days to gather those links and summarize those previous deep debates and work. This is also in a frame of other stuff I started discussing with you before where I felt misunderstandings and collaboration obstacles. But also as I had health issues. I was also weary to discuss such stuff on this public page.

I thought back then to email, but I saw you didn't have that option. Some time ago I saw that you were willing to enable your email. I would like to talk about some misunderstandings which are not purely about editing, including places of other edits that I still want to make or which were removed and your good faith efforts to accommodate my proposals on the other hand, but which were understood the wrong way; if you are willing to enable your mail for me. אומנות (talk) 15:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

If you check again, you'll see I have the "email this user" button enabled now. I had been informed a while back by someone else that this was disabled, without my awareness.

I appreciate the work you've put into this. I certainly wasn't trying to hide the outcome of previous discussions, and I understand where you are coming from. In some ways though, it doesn't matter how previous discussions went; if people don't want to contribute to a new discussion, even if they voiced opposition to previous ones, that's on them. I wasn't going to unilaterally make a change after just one day, I was going to leave it till after the 2025 contest has been held, so plenty of time for people to contribute if they wished. Sims2aholic8 (talk) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

And I appreciate your value too for my work and for reaching out to what I meant with regards to the discussions, especially in light of other missunderstadings which I therefore will write to you in private. I now see "email this user" and will soon mail. For now I'll send a "check" mail to see if you recieved (when you're avialable as I know you travel). For now it took me some days as I needed to revisit my older links to link and explain those external coverage for OGAE and Barbara/Vision polls-specifically, and as I searched for more coverage for your question about more such. I posted that all now on the project page, with an editing example; that's while I worked further to share thoughts on "Recpetion" and Marcel Bezencon with regards to discussions handling for my understanding. Than I worked further to shorten-consice the comment itself, while still cover-reply your thoughts on all these different matters. אומנות (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

"Apopse as vrethume" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Deleting minor languages in Eurovision participation overview.

I added them when I was working on a project on language in ESC. I considered them needed as I needed the full language makeup of every ESC song and I think those on similar projects such as how common a language is in Eurovision songs and others who wish to understand the full makeup for a song would benefit from the explanatory footnotes that are ignorable for those that do not need them. Song lyrics including those for songs that competed in ESC also tend to be relatively small compared to other texts so individual words and phrases are more important relative to the whole text on average. Please tell me why you are doing this. RobustVessel265 (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

@RobustVessel265: I will refer you to a discussion we had as a WikiProject in February/March 2024, where there was agreed consensus that only the main languages of an entry should be included within participant tables. In many cases adding in these footnotes, which had existed prior to this discussion, was fraught for being majority original research, i.e. there were no references provided to account for these snippets. In some cases it can also be very unclear which language exactly should be listed, given then prevalence of loanwords and linguistic similarities. As an example I will pose to you here, if you saw "amor" in a song, literally just the word with no other context around it, and the rest of the song lyrics are in a language where this word is not native, e.g. English, it would be incredibly difficult to tell what language this word is meant to represent without literally being told by a writer or singer on the song (the Wiktionary article on the word has over 20 different languages listed). Yes it can be clear from a historical or cultural perspective that it is most likely only one of these options, but at the same time that is original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. There are a wide array of reliable sources out there backing up the majority languages used in each song, but this is not the case for minority languages for many songs. This is why from a consistency perspective the decision was made to remove all footnotes listing small instances of phrases, words or snippets in other languages that do not make up the bulk of the song. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

What about if there is a reference by the artists and/or singers of the songs and the footnotes that are present for languages such as in Croatia 2024.? RobustVessel265 (talk) 08:41, 3 July 2025 (UTC)