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Happy 2021

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You'll have noticed that I moved the discussion to which you have lately contributed a query to its proper place at The Walnut Tree. Best wishes for a safe and productive New Year! Sweetpool50 (talk) 06:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sweetpool50: Felix novus annus.

Titanomachy (epic poem)

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Thanks for undoing on Titanomachy (epic poem). I'm a bit curious, based on the references, shouldn't it be known that Zeus comes from outside Greece and not Greece? Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leger Agrippa (talkcontribs) 17:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean. What "references"? Why do you say Zeus does not come from Greece? Paul August 02:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello This bot Materialscientist is confusing me with other vandalizers I was reverting a bad edit. this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000944392 I reverted it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000944462

And then this bot reverted and warned me on my talk page.

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The same thing happened again I reverted the unsourced edit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000946415 Here’s my edit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000946594 The bot confused me with the unregistered user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1000946628


How can I avoid this problem and how can I remove the warnings from my talk page? Oxforder (talk) 19:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Materialscientist is not a bot. Why do you think so? The edit to Row hammer that you reverted, removed some questionable and unsourced text. That's not vandalism. What makes you think it was? Materialscientist reverted your edit because you failed to provide a reliable source for the content you were adding back. There is nothing inappropriate about that. The other edit was perhaps a mistake, you should just ask Materialscientist on their talk page. As for the posts on your talk page, you can just remove them. Paul August 21:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Greek mythology Featured article review

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I have nominated Greek mythology for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look. However, a thorough review of that article would be an enormous job. And I am just qualified to know that we have few (if any) editors qualified to do it. Paul August 12:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Adrasteia

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Hello Paul August--you have access to JSTOR, right? I typed in the name and got plenty of hits; if you don't and you'd like me to email you some material, please let me know. Have a great day, Drmies (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do have access to JSTOR, thanks. Will check there (eventually). I'd be interested in knowing any particularly useful titles you've found. Paul August 15:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Pee ef pee

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User:Pee ef pee has had their user name reported at WP:UAA. I thought I saw constructive edits, but then I saw your "only warning". I was wondering what prompted that. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deepfriedokra: Hmmm ... Unfortunately I don't remember the cirmcumstance here. The "warning" was apparently in response to this edit, which is primarily pro Albanian POV pushing. What that edit does is to add the unsourced statement that:
"genetic links between Albanians and Pre-Indo-Europeans are fairly strong"
and at the same time essentially delete, in the subsequent note, the following:
"Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen Fischer, editors of Albanian Identities: Myth and History, present papers resulting from the London Conference held in 1999 entitled "The Role of Myth in the History and Development of Albania." The "Pelasgian" myth of Albanians as the most ancient community in southeastern Europe is among those explored in Noel Malcolm's essay, "Myths of Albanian National Identity: Some Key Elements, As Expressed in the Works of Albanian Writers in America in the Early Twentieth Century".
replacing those two senetences with the sentence fragment:
"Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen"
which deletes some opposing (apparently sourced) POV, misnames one of the editors (intentionally?), and mangles the note.
However, unless the name change was intentional, this isn't really vandalism, so that particular warning now looks inappropriate to me. Paul August 10:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Cyclopic rambling

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I was about to ask you if severe pruning of the final section of Cyclopes might not be in order, but you have already stepped in. I've cut it down even further so that it remains focussed on the proper subject. Hopefully Madreterra won't make an issue of it, but his editing history doesn't look reassuring. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes look fine. Paul August 14:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Accurate titles"

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What you have done here is very strange. Neither of the titles is "accurate" (see the scan here, for example), and "PH.D. in two volumes" is meaningless anyway. Plus, besides these two titles where I had slightly edited punctuation (this by itself is generally perfectly allowed), that edit included many more legitimate changes, so reverting it completely was at least not polite. So I'm restoring my edit. If you have any concerns, please edit only what is needed (which we can discuss, if you want). — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikhail Ryazanov: I'm sorry I didn't mean to be impolite. You changed the title of four works in the references section (incorrectly in my view) and correctly added three periods to the end of three of the works. So the easiest thing to me seemed to be to revert your edit, and add back the three periods, which is what I did. So in effect I did change "only what is needed". As for the titles:
  • Hard's book, has "H.J. Rose" in the title not "H. J. Rose". This is how it is printed in the copy of the book I own which I used as a reference, see also: WorldCat. So I think that should be changed back. Do you disagree?
  • As for the the other three titles they were take (perhaps incorrectly) from here, here, and here. Paul August 22:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Normalizing punctuation and formatting to conform to the house style is in fact recommended. English Wikipedia generally uses spaced initials with periods. For the Murray books, I have inserted links to their scans (at the Internet Archive) to the article, so you can check how these titles actually look in these books. For the Hard's book, look carefully at its title (I did at Google Books, already linked in the article) – it, for example, does not have the quotation marks and the colon, but does have a space between the initials (on the cover, although not on the title page – however, in the text they also don't space any initials, so this is their house style) and very different capitalization and italics. So there is no reason to copy titles verbatim from the books themselves or from any third-party catalogs, because if we do so, the references section will be a crazy mix of incompatible formats. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK Paul August 10:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Thanks!

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Thanks!

Barnstar

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For dedication to improving and expanding the Ancient Greece topic. Cote d'Azur (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Paul August 19:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I just want to come clean now and admit I shamelessly copied the ascii code unicode for your telephone talk icon. --- Possibly 03:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your comment

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I am in no way making light of the broader situation. But I just wanted to let you know, when I saw your response, I was laughing out loud. You well hoisted me by my own petard, and I well-deserved it. I was sitting there, waiting to see when "someone" would propose actual text so we could dive in an see if we could get something to work. I hadn't even thought that that someone could/should be me...lol

I'll go wander around some policy pages and see if I can figure out something. Thank you btw.

Oh, and your top-of-the-page note here is awesome : ) - jc37 23:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

;-) Paul August 23:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I know other stuff is going on. But just thought I'd let you know.

I "proposed something". - jc37 15:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added my support for your proposal there. Paul August 16:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Greek mythology sourcing

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I've recast the table of offspring and mothers in Hermes much as I did at Ares and now I may I understand your concerns at Talk:Ares#Kids' table a bit better. I found what seems to be really poor use of poor primary sources and began to see how widespread it might be. I've described a couple of examples at Talk:Hermes#Offspring, mothers and sources but I'm still wondering if we might need a centralised discussion at say Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome or similar, because cleaning this up could take a lot of tagging and/or deletion, and I don't fancy trying to produce long forensic explanations for each one. (To be honest, I don't fancy making a career of it at all.) I haven't been editing in this area long and I don't know what current attitudes are to what seems to be long-established use of primary sources for classical mythology and even history. Do you see a way forward? NebY (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at Talk:Hermes. Using untranslated primary sources is useful, but never sufficient. However using translations of primary sources is sufficient for citing what the primary source says, but not for what the primary source means. So, for example, if the translation says that A was the father of B, then citing the translation for that assertion is fine. Paul August 11:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look forward to your comments, here or there. There are issues with translation (in the cases I examined. I found Brimo well-translated as Hecate, but another translation might leave it as Brimo and give an editor the impression that was a different goddess; likewise I'd have liked to be pointed to the translation of Tzetzes and I wonder if the editor should instead have cited the secondary source in which they found a mention of Tzetzes on Hermes) but they're not the biggest problem for me. It's the use of bad sources such as the pseudo-clementine Homilies for a claim that may not be found in most secondary sources, for good reason, or the misunderstandings and consequent synthesis on Brimo, or what might be a thorough misreading of Tzetzes. Behind that sits a process of cataloguing in Wikipedia every primary-source mention rather than relying on modern scholarship, leaving the poor reader with a mixture of "mainstream" and distinctly outré mythology. NebY (talk) 13:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I essentially agree with all that. If a translation of a primary source containing "Brimo", leaves it untranslated, then it would be WP:OR to cite that translation as a source for some assertion about Hecate. And many citations in Wikipedia to such things as Scholia on such and such, where no secondary source (translation or not) is cited, are coming from non WP:RS sources (e.g. other Wikipedia articles, or various web sites such as Theoi.com). I will try to add some comments at Talk:Hermes, when I find the time. Paul August 14:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Short descriptions

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The previous short description was too long. Please see WP:SDSHORT. Editor2020 (talk) 00:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've shortened that Short description at Tartarus. Paul August 11:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Pagination at Selene

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Hello. I noticed you edited one of my more recent edits at Selene, specifically the page number in Keightley from 62 to 56. As I have been informed by Haploidavey, there are several edition of his work; the page I linked (62) is the correct page in Thomas Keightley, Second edition, 1838, though elsewhere in the article the expanded version (paper?), 1877, with Leonhard Schmitz is used (which I did not notice when I first added the link to the other edition), where the correct page is presumably 56 (as this particular edition is not searchable on Google books, so I cannot verify myself). When you edited the article, you changed the page number from 62 to 56, but not the link itself (to the edition where p. 56 is the correct one that is), so it led to a page with irrelevant information for Selene. So that's why I edited it back. Best regards, Deiadameian (talk) 11:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deiadameian: Hi and thanks for your note. When I changed your page numbers I didn't notice that they were referring (and linking) to a different edition than the one used elsewhere in the article (I should have checked but didn't ;-) As you note, the edition used elsewhere is the fourth edition 1877, edited by Leonhard Schmitz and published by G. Bell and Sons, 1877, and that's the edition listed in the "References" section of the article. I think we should, of course, cite (and link to) the same edition throughout which I think should be the more recent fourth edition. Google Books has versions of the 1877 printing, as well as a 1902 reprinting of the fourth edition); are you able to see the relevant pages using the Google links given above? Very best regards, Paul August 13:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Thankyou for fixing all of those. — Dave12121212 [talk] 08:21, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome. It was my original error, of course. And thank you for all the excellent work you're doing (You're a quick study). Paul August 11:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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