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June 2025

Hello, I'm Donald Albury. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Safety Harbor culture, but you didn't provide a reliable source. On Wikipedia, it's important that article content be verifiable. If you'd like to resubmit your change with a citation, your edit is archived in the page history. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Personal observations and historical markers are not reliable sources. You will need to find a source at least as reliable as Luer & Almy to contest the content. There is also the problem of establishing that the Anclote River shell mound is the same as the Anclote Temple Mound. Donald Albury 14:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Donald, thanks for reaching out to me. I've been looking for some additional documentation on some of the Pinellas mounds.

Looking back at Luer and Almy (1981), though the paper does claim the mound was destroyed, they also say that the mound was the only one on the Anclote river, located near the mouth of the river on the north end- exactly where the current one sits. I also dug through some Tampa Bay Times articles, and found references to a "Suncoast Archaeology Society" that made some publication or something on the mounds in 1970. However this appears to have been a subsection of the Florida Anthropological Society. The FAS' publication, The Florida anthropologist, does have a paper on a mound in Tarpon Springs from 1970- however this appears to be a completely different mound called the "Safford Mound", located further upriver near what is now downtown. There was also a third mound to the north in what is now Holiday, the Hope Mound, which was written about in 1971. Neither of these are in the location of the midden present at the park at the Anclote River's mouth, and (unless I misread it), neither fit the exact dimensions of the still-standing structure either.

Though there does appear to be a distinction in the literature between a "temple mound" and a midden, which may have been an oversight on my behalf. My formal education is in paleontology, not archaeology, despite the fact that many lay folk conflate the two sciences, and while we sometimes have similar field methods I'm not all too familiar with the terminology. From what I do know, the Safford mound does have some Safety Harbor age pottery buried there, as well as previous Weeden Island, Santa Rosa-Swift Creek, and Deptford pottery as well (the Hope Mound is older, having mostly Weeden Island culture artifacts). Would it be worth it to add this to the Safety Harbor culture's page?

Overall, I haven't found too many leads on this particular site, but I did appreciate that my search led to finding more about the indigenous history of my home town. Paleozoey (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has been frustrating trying to find more about the archaeology around the mouth of Anclote River. The current mound at the park has 8PA10 as its site ID.[1] but that has not helped my searches. Other sites that are identified as part of the Anclote complex are Burnt Mill (8PI43), Murphy's Mounds {8PI44), and Myer's Mound (8PI12), all in Pinellas County. The Safford Mound is in Tarpon Springs. Cushing (1897) excavated the Hope or Finley Hammock Mound 9 miles northwest of Tarpon Springs. Temple and burial mounds were reported from many sites from the Anclote River south along the coast in Pinellas County in the late 19th and very early 20th centuries.(Wiley 1949 Archaeology of the Florida Gulf Coast pp. 330-335) In 1955 Bullen mentioned the Anclote Temple Mound as one of 13 temple mounds in and near Tampa Bay, but says nothing else about it.[2] Wiley is the only source I have at home that, as far as I have found out, even mentions the Anclote mounds, and I have had little luck searching the Internet, Sigh! Donald Albury 20:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]