User talk:Majid8097

June 2025

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Somali Air Force

The equipment table is for the whole period of the force's existence. Add reported new helicopters to the equipment table; do not throw out the old data.

Do note carefully that only the Bell 412s are attributed as belonging to the Somali *Air Force*; the T129s, look at the translation, are attached to the "Army." Buckshot06 (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. I updated the fleet to reflect the latest confirmed deliveries and didn’t mean to remove historical data. About the T129s being Army, that's a little unclear because they are delivered for the air force. Maybe we can note that separately so it’s clear. I’m happy to adjust if we work together on how best to show both old and new equipment. What do you think? Majid8097 (talk) 10:03, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good - let's keep the historical data. Now, in the Turkish story about the delivery of the T129s, the relevant word was "ordusuna," which is "army," that is, the whole Somali National Armed Forces. The Somali Air Force as far as I can tell does not actually exist right now - apart from trainees who have been trained in Turkey. What we have is some contractor-flown 412s (I think), plus a whole Turkish contingent, with drones, helicopters, ships, etc, that has some Somali trainees returned from training in Turkey. If you have reliable sources attesting to the Air Force's existence, apart from the stories about helicopter deliveries, please link them. Buckshot06 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that the Somali Air Force doesn’t exist is not accurate. Somali youth pilots, trained in countries like Turkey, Qatar, and Eritrea, are actively flying helicopters such as the Bell 412. This has been documented and broadcast on Somali National TV. These are Somali officers operating under Somali command, not foreign contractors. While the air force is still in the process of rebuilding and relies on international support, that does not negate its existence. National institutions can function even while developing. If needed, I can provide footage and sources showing Somali pilots operating Somali aircraft. Majid8097 (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, the drones belonging to the Somali government are operated by NISA, the National Intelligence and Security Agency, which includes Somali personnel trained in drone surveillance and operations. While Turkish operators initially supervised their use in 2021, it is now officially Somali personnel who operate them. If needed, I can provide sources and footage showing Somali pilots and operators in action. Majid8097 (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please link the Somali National TV programmes you are speaking of?

The sources you are speaking of?

Can you provide any links or data about maintenance personnel?

Please go ahead and link the sources and footage regarding the drone operations, and, especially, the official changeover from Turkish to Somali control of drone operations.

Be very keen to see all these sources!! Thankyou!! Buckshot06 (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s a public example of Somali Air Force pilots flying helicopters during a national event, as broadcast on Somali National TV: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ALBk4uAy4/

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16oujvnhRT/ . These are clearly Somali personnel, in uniform, flying Bell helicopters under Somali command. As for drone operations, NISA itself claims via its official X account that Somali operators conducted airstrikes and the Somali National TV clearly says it's conducted by Somali personell in everyday reports: https://x.com/HSNQ_NISA/status/1902835642247057713. While it’s understandably hard to find a single formal document detailing the exact handover of drone control from Turkish trainers to Somali personnel, the operational reality is clear, the current UCAV missions are led by NISA with Somali staff under supervision of some Turkish military experts. If you simply search for “who operates Somali drones,” or “Somali UCAV operators,” you’ll find consistent reports naming Somali personnel. The narrative that these systems are exclusively run by foreign contractors is outdated. So with helicopter pilots on national TV, public statements from NISA, and an observable shift in operational control, it’s honestly fair to say the Somali Air Force exists and is operated by Somalis. Majid8097 (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not to forget, following the acquisition of Bell helicopters in 2023, Somalia opened its first dedicated MRO (Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul) facility in January 2024 [1], [2] to support its growing air capabilities, further proving that local operational infrastructure is being developed. These facts collectively undermine the claim that the Somali Air Force "doesn’t exist." It's growing and Somali run, both flying and maintenance. Majid8097 (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pictured Somali Bell pilot

Dear Majid8097, thanks for all these sources!!

Also very important, the civilian MRO Blue Hanger at MIA!! - many thanks!!

There is one clearly pictured Somali Bell 412 pilot (Osman Ali?), and at least two aircraft shown in the clips. The Somali civil registry markings "6O" are visible on both tailbooms. Osman Ali is wearing khaki, military-style flying clothing with no insignia, except a name tape, and, in the second clip, a Somali flag on his left shoulder. No helmet, other flying kit, or flightsuit is visible. Can you find any interviews or stories where he discusses his training? My understanding is that a small percentage of the Turkish trainees were Air Force, so I would be keen to hear if he was trained in Turkey. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, regarding the video I previously shared, the interview features Mohammed Hashi Ali, one of the Somali helicopter pilots, as interviewed by Somali National TV. So I’m not sure where the reference to Osman Ali came from perhaps it's a different individual or a misattribution. As for the aircraft, you’re correct that only two Bell helicopters are shown in that particular clip but that was likely due to the casual interview-focused nature of the footage. I do have other videos showing 6–7 Somali Air Force helicopters which I’d be happy to share if you’re interested. Importantly, here is the link to the full interview with Mohammed Hashi Ali where he explains his training background, including where and how(he was trained in Sudan 10 years ago)he trained [3]. And here’s cockpit footage of another Somali pilot clearly flying one of the Bell helicopters demonstrating that Somali pilots are not just training but are also operational [4].These materials reflect the broader reactivation of Somali aviation capabilities and offer a useful snapshot of the current landscape. Let me know if you’d like more details or further sources, happy to help. Majid8097 (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great!! Sure you would be able to read that nametape more accurately than me!! Mohammed Hashi Ali it is. Of course it's unlikely that all the recently arrived helicopters would be lined up at once, all in a line; what I was saying was that I could see, in the same clip, two Bell twin-engined helicopters both on the Somali civil registry. I would be very keen to see the other videos with up to 6-7 aircraft that you mention. I will keenly go and read that interview!! I have no doubt whatsoever that some Somali helicopter pilots are indeed flying the helicopters, I should say. Cheers and thanks!! Buckshot06 (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a video showing the Somali Air Force section at Aden Adde International Airport (MIA) and 6-7 bells[5].The civilian registration on the two helicopters in the video likely indicates temporary use as most now carry SAF registrations. Here's a close-up of one of their tails[6]. Majid8097 (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here!! What about this one!! https://www.tiktok.com/@somali.air.force/video/7497992630693924114 Can you read what the pilot's badges show?? These (two?) pilots are wearing flightsuits as well as several military badges, though the helicopter itself is not visible (don't know if it's the same 6O choppers from the other clip). Buckshot06 (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That TikTok video is actually AI generated, you can tell because the textures and details on the flightsuits and badges look off or unclear. It’s not real footage, but it shows how much interest there is in the Somali Air Force right now. Majid8097 (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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