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1961 West German federal election

Hello. I wasn't sure who to turn to and came here after I saw you edit 1961 West German federal election recently. The numbers in the infobox for CDU/CSU (the 14,298,372) do not harmonize with the party's party-list numbers in the infobox (while the numbers for SPD and FDP do harmonize). The percentages are off as well. I am not sure if I'm missing something - I would appreciate it if you would look at it when you got the time. Thanks in advance. Semsûrî (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Semsûrî; I am not sure if I am getting it right, but you mean the infobox and the results table below? In that case, note that you must add the results of the CSU to those of the CDU (which is automatically done in the infobox, but they are separated in the results table). 11,283,901 (35.8%) + 3,014,471 (9.5%) on the party's list column gives you 14,298,372 (45.3%), which is what the infobox shows. Tell me if this was what troubles you. Thanks! Impru20^talk 00:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes that's the one. Of course I forgot CSU. Thank you though. Semsûrî (talk) 01:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"2024/2025 Romanian presidential election" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:May 2027

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 25 § Months from 2027 onward

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January 23, 2025 EKOS poll

Hello,

I don't think this poll, that you put back in after someone removed it, should be included since the source is just a tweet (WP:RSPTWITTER) and it is not published on the EKOS website like the other EKOS polls. CGP05 (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have your answer here by another user. The source is not "just a tweet", but a tweet from the founder and president of EKOS himself. Further, the reason why I put it back after someone removed it was because the removal was based on an argument (that the tweet/source had been "removed") which was untrue: simply, it had been wrongly coded in the article, so I fixed the code. We don't remove polls from tables just because their findings seem weird to us. Impru20^talk 08:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2027 in Europe by month

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Polling page

Thanks for your input on the talk page, I think there’s more socks there than on my bedroom floor.Halbared (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Halbared: Yeah, not sure about how many people are actually in there discussing, but the edit warring and the sudden disappearance of editors (who came out of nowhere just to revert other users and then vanish) seem like a duck's quack to me. Impru20^talk 13:26, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Halbared: Just reported them at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit warring with possible meat- and/or sockpuppetry following their latest revert. Impru20^talk 21:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's the only way this will be resolved. I hadn't even clocked the 'bear' one. The talk page is just...a wall of 'I want this!!.' The one who I believed to be the master, maybe isn't. Hopefully an admin and a checkuser will step in. I think they're backlogged though.Halbared (talk) 22:04, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Thanks for taking the UK polling page to ANI - would've done it myself but have been on holiday :) CR (how's my driving? call 0865 88318) 09:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for March 16

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Reverted edits

You reverted edits to Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election for individual seat polling even though there is precedent for this in previous elections where by-election polls would be included as well (see: Opinion polling for the 2015 United Kingdom general election)

It doesn't matter if its a by-election or not. 84.71.31.221 (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@84.71.31.221: Hi, let me answer you:

The article you link does not include any by-election polls (it does not include any constituency polling at all, actually).
Opinion polling for the 2017 United Kingdom general election does cite constituency polling, but none are for by-elections.
Opinion polling for the 2019 United Kingdom general election does cite constituency polling, but none are for by-elections.
Opinion polling for the 2024 United Kingdom general election redirects to Sub-national opinion polling for the 2024 United Kingdom general election for constituency polling. None are for by-elections and, in fact, opinion polls for constituencies in where there were by-elections (i.e. Hartlepool, Mid Bedfordshire) relate only to the general election, with specific by-election polls being shown in the by-election articles themselves.

So no, you are blatantly wrong I fear.

You should also know that this issue has been discussed before, with current consensus being not to mix by-election polling with general election polling. Cheers. Impru20^talk 10:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mariano Rajoy

I want to talk about the edit that you made on the former Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy about the name of his predecessor, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero. Yes, he is hardly referred to as J. L. Rodríguez Zapatero. But then what about people like William Lyon Mackenzie King, the former Canadian prime minister? He is referred to as W. L. Mackenzie King and if he is, then why not do the same with Zapatero? Richie1509 (talk) 19:49, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

King was referred like that because:

He himself tended to refer to himself like that.
"Mackenzie" was part of his given name, not a surname.

That's a different situation to Zapatero, whom no one referred to as "J.L. Rodríguez Zapatero". Also, such a presentation of his name would require it to be proven on its own merits, rather than on other stuff existing. Impru20^talk 12:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see @Impru20, thanks for letting me know. Richie1509 (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Sánchez

I see that my edits are reverted in the second and third government of Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez of Spain. And apparently, it was because of my caption. But what's wrong with the edit, @Impru20? Richie1509 (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are inserting duplicated data, unnecessary links and a misleading legislative composition chart. I would guess this edit summary as well as previous ones are quite self-explanatory (and yes, I know some "other" pages wrongly do that, but other stuff existing is not an argument to keep repeating wrong edits elsewhere). Impru20^talk 05:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see, but isn't the chart corret though? Richie1509 (talk) 06:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For which period? From November to December 2023, the government commanded 152 seats in Congress. That fell to 147 in December 2023 (Podemos' split), then rose to 148 in January 2024 (Verstrynge's resignation and her replacement by a Sumar MP), then fell again to 147 in February 2024 (Abalos' expulsion from PSOE). Do we add the four iterations to the infobox, thus cluttering it unnecessarily? Do we keep adding more changes whenever they happen? What should we do with parties providing confidence and supply? And what should we do with Senate seats, why are we leaving those out? The fact is that this infobox is not designed for adding legislative composition charts, yet for some reason some users have been adding those to some countries' cabinet infoboxes (without taking into consideration the multiple issues that come out of it). Impru20^talk 07:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Thanks! Richie1509 (talk) 07:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting composition bars

Hello @Impru20, I noticed you started mass-reverting composition bars from government cabinet article infoboxes. While you provided extensive explanation, per MOS:VAR variations between styles can exist and the bot-like mass-enforcing of your edits in all related articles creates a WP:FAITACCOMPLI situation that is quite unfair to other editors, their established variation in styles, and their ability to challenge your changes. Please consider it. Tahomaru (talk) 13:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Tahomaru. On your insightful note I would like to highlight some points:

Firstly, these are not "variation between styles", but content openly in violation of a MOS (i.e. the removal of a "composition bar on legislative status" in an infobox, with such "legislative status" and "composition" not being in the articles (not even being their purpose), thus openly going against MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE; "The purpose of an infobox is to summarize, but not supplant, the key facts that appear in an article. Barring the specific exceptions listed below, an article should remain complete with its infobox ignored."). Thus, my edits are absolutely in good faith and in full respect of Wiki policies and guidelines.
Secondly, many of these composition bars were, by themselves, added in mass-enforcing edits without any discussion.
Finally, I am obviously open to discussion and for the edits to be challenged. I do not know how this specific case creates a situation "unfair to other editors", specially when it has been acknowledged that the edits provide extensive explanation and how none of these has even been reverted or openly contested as of currently.

I am, however, very much open to consideration in those cases where these edits are contested, as I have neved stated otherwise. Impru20^talk 14:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a case of variation in style. You're treating your interpretation of MOS:IBP as absolute, when in fact other guidelines like MOS:VAR and WP:CONSENSUS apply too. Just because you personally see the composition bar as "not fitting" doesn't mean it's a policy violation, especially when it had already been stable across multiple articles.

Saying "this isn't an article on legislative status" doesn't really work. Cabinet composition is political context, it's not unreasonable to visualise party balance or majority strength. Many editors clearly saw value in that, and these bars didn't just appear out of nowhere. This isn't some rogue formatting, it's something that had become common.

You're framing this as an open discussion now, but you only started talking after removing everything. That's exactly what WP:FAITACCOMPLI warns about. You didn't ask, you just acted,and then said people are free to challenge it, after the fact. That is not how consensus works. Tahomaru (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tahomaru: The articles do not revolve around legislature composition, which is what these composition bars add. This, as a result, means that the infobox is supplanting information that is not to be found elsewhere in the articles, which is exactly a violation of MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. If "it's not unreasonable to visualise party balance or majority strength", then argue for it and seek a consensus to modify the scope of these articles, but so far the infoboxes were including information that was not to be found in the articles: i.e. a supplanting of information. This is not a personal interpretation: the information either is in the article or isn't. It's fairly straightforward.

"Many editors clearly saw value in that" Proof? I have made extensive research and I could not find any discussion or interaction where the usefulness of this information was discussed, only people (mostly IPs or newly-created accounts) literally copy-pasting the formatting from other articles (in turn copy-pasted from other articles) because they thought that this was the actual formatting to be used. Obviously in good faith, but also entirely unrelated to whether this was actually considered as "useful" or not (maybe it was for some, but they did not even care to justify or explain it). And this was typically done in mass-edits with no explanations at all, and I have not seen that these users were warned about WP:FAITACCOMPLI for their behaviour, isn't it?

Also note how in many of these situations the information given was outrightly wrong or misleading. In some cases, the composition given did not correspond to the actual composition at the time of the cabinet; in others, there were many more variations than those shown in the existing versions. Are we assumed to accept wrong information just because we have to think that some random person may think that it is useful? We even had situations of composition bars on "legislature status" during dictatorships.

We are in a WP:BRD situation where we have not even reached the R phase yet, as the edits have not been contested for the most part (and in the few cases they have, discussion is taking place normally; no unfair situation has been created). But seeing your reaction here, I would also expect from you to act in the same way to any other user who attempts to enforce any mass-edit of these (or other articles); most specially if those do not provide any explanation at all (as opposed to my extensive explanations). Thank you very much in advance. Impru20^talk 15:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As an update, I have spotted reverts to a limited number of my edits: namely, those affecting some UK cabinets. These have been conducted by three different IP editors with no previous edit history (probably the same person, this, this and this) who, despite having the opportunity to explain the reversion of justified edits, have not done so, to the point that one of these edits had been re-reverted by a third, uninvolved user, then reverted again by the IP without any explanation.

As a matter of fact, the "restored" edits go to the extent of being plainly wrong. Take this one: Johnson ministry's direct support from Tory MPs at the end of its term was 298, not 317. My edit (which, as Tahomaru correctly asserted, was extensively explained) did explicitly state that this information was wrong. The IP editor reverted it anyway and restored a wrong figure with no justification at all. Was this "quite unfair" to them? Cheers. Impru20^talk 20:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Setting aside how this was done, would you be willing to start a discussion on Template talk:Infobox government cabinet? Because I support your goal and would prefer a global consensus over a local consensus. Dajasj (talk) 06:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am, @Dajasj. Here you are! Impru20^talk 09:10, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Impru20 I'm not questioning the content of your edits, I'm questioning the way you went about pushing them.

Also, not every article is the same. Take Cabinet of Petr Fiala. It actually does include a table with seat distribution in its body, so the infobox is summarising information that's already in the article meaning there is not MOS:IBP violation.

You're making a wide change to stable content without building consensus first, and you're using a justification based on rule violation that doesn't even apply to all cases. Tahomaru (talk) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fifth Karunanidhi ministry errors

Hi there, related to the above discussion about composition bars, please take a look at your recent changes to Fifth Karunanidhi ministry. I have no expertise or opinion on the removal, but this particular edit damaged the infobox in a way I'm not sure how to fix. Thank you, Jessicapierce (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent polling by pollster

I want to know, what makes the topic unnecessary? The topic itself adds a lot of value to the article and the reader can see what the pollsters are saying. Noogometni urejevalec (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It adds exactly zero value to the article, as it's duplication of already existing data. Want to see what the pollsters are saying? Go to the "Poll results" section lol. Impru20^talk 06:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then remove them from the UK polling lol. Noogometni urejevalec (talk) 21:35, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a valid argument lol. Impru20^talk 21:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is, if you delete it from the Slovenian election, delete it from the UK or leave it lol Noogometni urejevalec (talk) 10:27, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The UK one had specific discussions involving a sizeable number of users, with the issue likely to be re-visited at some point later on. You are basically the only one adding it to the Slovenian election page with no argument and no reasoning. Once again, WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a valid argument: if you are going to do so, why don't you cite the vast majority of opinion polling articles throughout Wikipedia, which do not have such table? You are basically cherry-picking here. Impru20^talk 10:31, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Montoro

At first glance I appear to be the "you" mentioned in relation to recent edits. I agree that some of the text reads strangely, but if you look carefully you will see that you appear to be blaming me for words that were already there and were written by someone else. I am just trying to improve things, so you do not need to throw abuse at me. I suggest you assume good faith on my part.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 08:47, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am "blaming" you for this edit. I assume good faith and that is why I explained how reverting to that infobox text was wrong. Impru20^talk 08:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. I am not sure what happened as I did not mean to change the infobox content. In fact, I would not have recognised the edit as mine, were it not labelled as such. I apologise.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 09:13, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

State vs. civil flag

I'm wondering why you believe that the civil flag is more appropriate for the cabinet articles, when: 1) you yourself state that the state flag represents "state authorities" i.e. the government 2) it is the only flag flown on the parliment and all other government buildings? Skjoldbro (talk) 10:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) My full sentence was "a specific number of state authorities, royal family and war flag", not "state authorities" in general. Also, my edit summaries were descriptive, unlike the edit summaries for the initial change which basically did not give a reason at all.

2) Per the split flag's description itself: it "can only be used by state authorities such as the army and the royal family".

3) Flag of Denmark clearly depicts the civil/national flag as primary one, not the split flag. Infoboxes of cabinet articles use that flag, not other variants.

4) Of course, maybe a consensus may arise for the use of a different flag, but it is not the case here as of now.

Cheers! Impru20^talk 10:57, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) Just so we are in agreement, the government is not part of the state/a state authority then?

2) "Such as" is a none-exhaustive word, meaning others might be included. Hence, why the government continue to fly the flag on parliament. Additionally, the Royal family use personalized versions.

3) The State flag (also called the government flag) represents the state, the government is the state, therefore the correct and more appropriate use, rather than the one arbitrarily chosen by Wiki editors.

4) There currently isn't any consensus, as half of the pages already use the state flag.

But have started one discussion at Talk:Flag of Denmark State vs. civil flag. Skjoldbro (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) I am not understanding your point here, really. It is as simple as the use for the split flag is limited to only a handful of state authorities.

2 and 3) Your reply to points 1, 2 and 3 hint at a strong WP:SYNTH-like thinking here. Seriously, it is not my fault: cabinet articles use the national flag; the state flag is not the national flag. You say the split flag is called the "government flag", where is this stated? Flag of Denmark does not say this flag is used by the Danish government as a whole. You also mix the parliament with the government here (nonetheless, note that the Folketing has its own flag and symbols...).

4) Then consistency must be achieved. I see that some of the pages using the state flag previously used the national main flag, but random users changed those without discussion or consensus. Probably that should be reverted, too. Impru20^talk 12:02, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On point 4, and doing some research: looks like the split flag was first added in 2018 to Thorning-Schmidt I Cabinet ([1]), Thorning-Schmidt II Cabinet ([2]), Lars Løkke Rasmussen II Cabinet ([3]) and Lars Løkke Rasmussen III Cabinet ([4]) by a now partially-blocked user (the block reason being "disruptive editing" and "refusal to communicate"). From here, its use for subsequent cabinets seem to stem from a pure copy-paste of previous articles (in 2019 and 2022), whereas for previous cabinets it looks like it was you who enforced it (again by a copy-paste of the infobox: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]). Not that this is a bad thing! You obviously did it in good faith. But then, many of the remaining pages using that flag is your doing, and it all seems to have started by unilateral (and unexplained) edits by a controversial editor.

I will wait for your feedback before conducting any further edit, but so for your knowledge, I have to insist on my previous reply to points 2 and 3: cabinet articles use the national flag, rather than any particular flag that may be used by "state authorities" or by the government itself. Check German (flags), Spanish (flags), Swedish (flags), Norwegian (flags), Italian (flags), etc. governments, where they all use the national flag (self-correcting myself earlier: the national flag is not necessarily the civil flag, though it is in the case of Denmark). Impru20^talk 18:56, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]