User talk:Harju Loogiline

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Aleksei Bugayev

Greetings and thank you for improving the article on Aleksei Bugayev. I found one URL that didn't appear to reference the Russian team or Bugaev. Maybe it was a URL paste error? I don't doubt the truth of your addition so I didn't remove it. Could you please fix that citation when you have a moment? Thanks and cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 00:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Fixed. Have a great end of the year! Harju Loogiline (talk) 09:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you again! A happy, healthy, and peaceful end for 2024 to you and yours also! JFHJr (㊟) 00:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mellk (talk) 08:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Please also note, due to WP:RUSUKR, you may not make edits about the Russia-Ukraine war, broadly construed. You are free to make edit requests. Mellk (talk) 08:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

There is also no consensus to make mass Estonian SSR -> Estonia edits. Please start a talk page discussion on the talk page first rather than making mass changes. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 08:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

There is also no consensus to make mass Estonia -> Estonian SSR edits. Therefore I reverted, what other user(s) had done whether in good or bad faith. If you look my edits they all reversed recent changes. Please reverse all your edits. You made controversial change. Therefore you are the one pushing mass change. I kept the articles on the same style. All Estonia articles use Estonia. Harju Loogiline (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Also you removed other improvements and fixes from the articles I had made. Like putting pack birth places in the opening brackets. etc. Harju Loogiline (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

We have had plenty of people before make similar changes. Because there is no consensus on this matter (this has been discussed before), such people have been blocked for persistently making such disruptive mass changes. Until you start a WP:RfC and there is consensus to make all birthplaces in the infobox "Estonia" and not "Estonian SSR", please do not go around making mass changes like these. You are welcome to start individual discussions on the talk page and make changes accordingly. If you decide to ignore what I have just said, then I will simply just request a block instead. Mellk (talk) 09:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

No consensus - therefore restore to the state tehese were before recent changes. So that Estonia articles are all in the same style. At the moment small number of articles were changed recently. If You want to change that start a WP:RfC. You are the one wanting to change things. Harju Loogiline (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Here "Estonian SSR" is the long-standing version. The page was even protected to prevent such disruptive IPs. Therefore, please self-revert. Mellk (talk) 09:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

cherry picking one article. It has been long standing edit consensus that all Estonia articles use just Estonia, with only hockey project keeping Soviet name. Please self revert your mass changes. You also reverted edits, that were not connected to this topic! Harju Loogiline (talk) 10:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Please point me to this discussion where "Estonian SSR" is not allowed in the infobox. This is also an unusual response for a new editor. Have you used previous accounts before? Mellk (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Can You then please point me to the discussion where it says that it can't just be "Estonia" in the infobox? It's standing status quo, things have been so. Unless some random users change some articles has has happened here. I've seen these discussions. If you have questions about Estonian history I can answer. Like with the historic place names you reverted. Before 1918 all place names in Estonia were the German names Tallinn was Reval etc. Before 1945 there were 10 (11) historic counties etc. I hope we can agree that we both have much better things to do to make Wikipedia better than to argue over a trivial matter. Harju Loogiline (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I have been blocked unfairly and without evidence. User:H2ppyme is not my account. I don't even remember ever seeing the name of this account. It was a POV vs POV argument between me and User:Mellk. They just left the discussion without answering my last post and reported me. And User User:Bbb23 blocked me without any evidence.

What should be the place of birth for the Baltic States 1940-1991 has been debated endlessly. While de facto Baltic states were part of the USSR, de jure these occupied states existed by the international law while the territories were occupied. I'm bringing this in, because after blocking me, these users went on frenzy changing Estonia To Estonian SSR in the infobox. It has been the long standing edit consensus of having just Estonia as the birth place in the infobox and if necessary on this persons biography explain the situation in prose. For me it looks like abuse of power to establish their POV in the articles.

Arguments against me are absurd.

1. that I as an Estonian person have edited page Prime Minister of Estonia. It's my interest because I am Estonian and interested of updating articles of Estonian politics. This also applies such articles as Arnold Rüütel, which I expanded greatly. But now all my contributions to this article and others have been wiped. There never was any questions about birth place at Arnold Rüütel's article because they were born before soviet union and died after, but they went and wiped all my edits. All the sources I added were changed back to citation needed. All my work undone without any reason. They also reverted historic place names. Such as Tallinn was officially Reval before 1918, but they caring so much about "historical accuracy" went around and reverted all places where I according to wiki manual used the name that was used at the time historically back to modern name. This shows that they do not care about historical accuracy outside the Soviet Union theme.

2. Absurd argument that if I haven't taken part of arguments that happened years ago, when I was a child, then I can't read or know that such discussions existed. That I can't have seen arguments such as in Talk:Katrin_Siska, Talk:Jüri_Ratas that all link back to old discussions, which are pages and pages long.

3. I know the hockey articles are different because I saw it mentioned in the discussions and until now only articles about hockey players had birth place as Estonian SSR, Soviet Union. All other articles were using just Estonia. Until these guys started to change them. Another absurd argument against me.

4. They asked me to point "Can You then please point me to the discussion where it says that it can't just be "Estonia" " knowing full well, that there is no such rule. All the discussions on the topic have run extremely long and ended with exhaustion. That's why I replied to them with asking to point me where it says that that it must be Soviet Union. As their argument of asking me to show a rule is absurd as they know full well, that it is POV vs POV argument and that there is only edit consensus on the topic. That was bad faith question that they try to frame as an argument against me.

I find it very unfair, that I have been blocked because someone did not like one thing out of many that I did. This is edit warring taken to another level. It shouldn't be so that in POV vs POV argument one side can just block other side. I was open and engaged in discussion with them in civil manners. It's sad to see that all my edits, even those not connected to this argument, have been wiped. I had positive experience and friendly interactions with other users. I have received many thanks for my edits which now sadly are all gone. My work here has been all undone. Harju Loogiline (talk) 12:00, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You were not blocked without evidence, the evidence is detailed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/H2ppyme/Archive. This lengthy explanation does not explain the evidence away. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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Arguments against me are absurd.

1. that I as an Estonian have edited page Prime Minister of Estonia. It's my interest because I am Estonian interested of updating articles of Estonian politics. Such as expanding article of Arnold Rüütel dif, all my contribution making the article much more informative were just wiped out. All the sources I added were changed back to [citation needed]. All my work undone without any reason just for spite. Harju Loogiline (talk) 12:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

2. Absurd argument that if I haven't taken part of such arguments that happened years ago, when I was a child, then I can't read or know that such discussions existed. That I can't have seen arguments such as in Talk:Katrin_Siska, Talk:Jüri_Ratas that all link back to old discussions, which are pages and pages long.Harju Loogiline (talk) 12:27, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

3. I know the hockey articles are different because I saw it mentioned in the discussions and until now only articles about hockey players had birth place as Estonian SSR, Soviet Union. All other articles were using just Estonia. Until these guys started to change them. Another absurd argument against me. Harju Loogiline (talk) 12:34, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

4. They asked me to point "Can You then please point me to the discussion where it says that it can't just be "Estonia" " knowing full well, that there is no such rule. All the discussions on the topic have run extremely long and ended with exhaustion. That's why I replied to them with asking to point me where it says that that it must be Soviet Union. As their argument of asking me to show a rule is absurd as they know full well, that it is POV vs POV argument and that there is only edit consensus on the topic. That was bad faith question that they try to frame as an argument against me.

Harju Loogiline (talk) 12:39, 25 January 2025 (UTC)