User talk:Grand'mere Eugene/Archives/2024/September

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Thank you for your work on Cynthia F. Moss

If you look at my user talk page you will see a few messages to me from the course tutor which may interest you, but again thank you. This one seems to have caught your imagination 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Your kind words are much appreciated, Timtrent. I do like a good challenge, and since I retired a decade ago, WP has become a daily habit. I have a quandary that you might help me with: when I Googled Moss's parents, I found them mentioned in this U.S. Senate confirmation hearing (chaired by Orin Hatch) as parents of Randolph Moss, then being appointed as a US federal district judge. Without mentioning her name in the hearing, he referred to his missing sister, "My sister is with the youngest in that family at a conference in Florida today and couldn't be here." He also mentioned his brother-in-law Jack Berger. There's a Prabook bio (of course, not an RS) that lists her husband as "Donald W. Berger". I'm currently thinking it's not appropriate to include her brother or her husbnd in Moss's bio. My mother would say, "Discretion is the better part of valor." Still, it's one of those Wikipedia rabbit holes that I enjoy stepping into from time to time... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I like a challenge too. This one was worth accepting. There are several abandoned student projects here. I found them from this tutor's talk page which lists declines amongst the acceptances. I have done what I am able with some of them. (That was a hinted request for help!)

The relatives are always an interesting dilemma. I ask myself "Is this relative likely to have notability im their own right?" That assumes no article about them currently. If they do I have been known to write that, even if only a stub that shows notability, and I mention them. If not I may or may not mention that they exist if close relatives, distant I leave well alone, unless, of course, they are immediately and recognisably notable. I would mention Marco Polo! However, the relatives' presence in the subject's article need to add true value to it, not simply be for decoration.

Does that help? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Timtrent, I just realized I forgot to ping you in the note below...Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, good advice. Moss's brother has a strong WP article, so I may work in a brief mention in her article.

I did add a few sources to the Draft:Elva Diaz article that meet GNG, with significant coverage her research. I think it's good to go, but I defer to your review to accept it at AfC. See what you think.

Are there more abandoned student projects that need better sourcing?

Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 09:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

You are awesome. I have accepted it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I have been deep in this rabbit hole, now, creating categories for awards where absent, and populating them with around 300 award recipients,

Thank you for your help. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow! 300?! Good work! Nimble, too, jut like other rabbits... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I think I may have missed a few with finger trouble, but someone else will get 'em! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Minuette Macon Will be the best perosn to tell each of us about other abandoned student works which are worth giving a big kick to. I think we are getting quite a buzz out of this rather gnomish mini-project.

I've scraped these from Minuette's talk page 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I had known idea what an avalanche I started :D

For Moss: one of her books was featured in the first Godzilla movie, but I wasn't able to find a reference for it, except for her interview on the Conjugate.blog. She really is often mixed with the other Cynthia Moss (also a well known ethologist).

The drafts you listed are the ones that remain from this year's class-we had only 4 rejections from the previous iterations of the class (2020 and 2021). All 4 were "too soon" so I decided to wait before recreating their entries. I also had a lot more time to work with those drafts in the past as the class was 3x smaller. Since this year, the class only writes about people likely to pass the WP:PROF: award winners, full professors, named chairs, etc, to increase the likelihood of acceptance. The award categories you created and updated are mighty good work and I really want to thank you for that-anyone who can help with all of this will earn a ton of good karma!! Minuette Macon (talk) 12:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

How about adding a mention to Cynthia in her brother's article to balance it? Minuette Macon (talk) 12:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I added family info to the Randall Moss bio... tricky because their parents are listed in sources for both of them, but they do not seem to be both mentioned in a single ref.

Also, I made an argument on Talk:Elva Díaz to show she meets WP:GNG, but not necessarily WP:PROF. Chime in there if you are so inclined. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I had an entry about an academic whose work is in neuroscience textbooks be rejected because they were too young ("too soon"). Whatever gets them in, I support it! Minuette Macon (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

There is another issue with one contributor (see User talk:Cindymoss). I left a COI welcome, which seems to have been ignored, as their contributions have been deleted by another editor. Oh, well. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

And regrettably they have uploaded a picture of themselves to Commons, which just doesn't work with copyright laws. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

(sigh) The photo will be taken down, as it should. I have explained the rules of photo submission, but I can't make anyone follow them. Minuette Macon (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)