Talk:Tornadoes of 2025/Archive 1

Archive 1

I'm Back (For Real This Time)

Hey everyone, first off Happy New Year to you all! Just wanted to let everyone know I am finally returning to Wikipedia. I was a major contributor to tornado articles for over a decade, but a serious decline in my mental health made me unable to work with others and contribute in a constructive way starting earlier this year. After lots of time, I am happy to announce that I have made a full recovery. I'm very sorry for how abrasive and nasty I was toward the end of my last period of editing. I was not myself, but I feel better than I have in years, and am ready to contribute and work with everyone here again. I'm a "fine details" guy, and will be starting my editing back in the July 2023 section, and slowly move forward to 2024, and eventually 2025. Needless to say, I have a massive backlog to get through. Props to everyone to kept everything together while I was away, and I'm elated to see that a lot of new editors have improved their skills dramatically since I last checked. Cheers, and I look forward to getting back to it!

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

I forgive you, and am so glad you're back! I've been looking for that edit counter to bump up; it was a wild year since May, and I'm glad we now have another experienced editor back in the ranks. :) Formerly Memegod, E_F⁵ 03:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

You've done great work while I was away! Stoked to finally work together!

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 03:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Thank you! Likewise, I'm also stoked, and glad we can put our past behind us. :) E_F⁵ 03:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

No hard feelings! I'm mostly going to be sticking to 2023 for now. One thing I do want to clear up though, is it appears there is something wrong in the monthly table for January 9 and 10 of 2024. It says "Section 'January 9 event' not found" and "Section 'January 10 event' not found". I really want to fix this before I get started on 2023 stuff. Is anyone aware of this or have any idea how to fix it? I tried but with no success.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

It appears to be a bug with the header titles, so I've went ahead and manually added them with a hatnote. E_F⁵ 03:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I couldn't figure out what the issue was.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Your presence is greatly appreciated as I felt like I, WeatherWriter, and TimCigar12 had to take the lead for many things for awhile and I was so drained that I felt like quitting at times and had to take a step back. ChessEric 06:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Cali tornado

I see this has been bold removed, so I've re-added it, further discussion can go here. The first tornado in the United States in 2025 happened in California, of all places! Very rare place for a tornado to occur in January, we also have a PD video of this tornado which I'll upload shortly. E_F⁵ 18:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I feel like there is zero reason to have this as California has had over 50 recorded tornadoes in January. 50 may same like not many but California has only had 460 recorded tornadoes since 1950, which means roughly 11% of the tornadoes in California have happened in the month of January. I'll put the other months of the year here for reference:

--FOR CALIFORNIA--

January - 11%

February - 15%

March - 18%

April - 12%

May - 9%

June - 3%

July - 3%

August - 5%

September - 6%

October - 4%

November - 7%

December - 10%

Doing the math makes this not as rare as it seems. So that's my two cents. I'm all for adding tornadoes in odd areas regardless of rating but this really isn't an odd one. Timcigar12 (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Also I know it doesn't add up to 100%, I rounded percentages lol Timcigar12 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Has the first US tornado of a year ever been in California, though? /gen E_F⁵ 19:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, in 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 1988, 1990, 2010, and 2016. Timcigar12 (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

It's actually not as rare as you think for California to have tornadoes as Timcigar12 pointed out. They actually see a fair number of tornadoes during the year. The main difference is that their tornadoes are typically weak and/or not notable, so we don't include them in the main page all that often. ChessEric 21:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think it's really notable that it's the first tornado of the year. Unless it's something exceedingly rare, like a tornado in Alaska, I don't think we should be listing a tornado that caused no damage. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Nuh uh HouseDavid2016 (talk) 06:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Issue Regarding European Tornadoes 2020-2023

Hey everyone, I know this isn't exactly relevant to 2025 tornadoes, but I'm posting this to increase visibility. While the International Fujita Scale was officially implemented in July 2023, the ESSL has gone back and re-rated every tornado from 2020 forward using the IF scale. This means myself and others will have to go back and painstakingly update the rating of every European tornado listed on Wikipedia during those four years. It won't be too complicated except for the presence of three articles, which are the October 2022 European tornado outbreak, the 2022 Storm Dudley tornado outbreak, and the 2021 South Moravia tornado. These three articles feature tornado tables that list the tornadoes using the F scale, and they need to be changed to tables using the IF scale. I do not know how to to that, and could use some help. To make matters more complicated, the long-tracked F3 Bihucourt, France tornado listed in the October 2022 article was re-surveyed, and it turns out it was not a long-tracked tornado, but a tornado family (consisting of five tornadoes if I remember correctly). Is anyone willing to help me update and fix these three tornado tables? I will handle converting the rest of the listed tornadoes by month throughout those 4 years. Please let me know if you're willing to help out, because I really want to update these articles so they list accurate, up to date info. TornadoInformation12 (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Speaking of tables, I just updated the list progress table on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather page. Please check it out; I would greatly appreciate it. ChessEric 00:33, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Ok I will but I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand. Almost every European tornado on Wikipedia is now listed with an invalid, outdated, inaccurate rating. That is a huge issue and we can't just avoid it.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 08:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

It had the progress for everything, including the issue at hand. Unfortunately, I don't think I can help with this as I'm preparing to graduate college and just don't have the time to do extensive research on this. ChessEric 00:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Tornado in Saudi Arabia (January 6, 2025)

A strong tornado was observed in Saudi Arabia near Jeddah, I am unsure of its rating but I did find an article about it.

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/watch-video-powerful-tornado-hits-rabigh-in-saudi-arabia-safety-warnings-issued-1.500011383 Supera088 (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

The source really isn't the best but for this fact it's probably the best source available. I'll add it to the article, as it states it's the strongest in that region of Saudi Arabia. Departure– (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Tornado chart for Europe?

Hi, I was wondering if we could include a tornado chart for Europe in the article similar to the chart included for the US, just in the IF scale. I think it would be helpful to have this info here at a glance instead of having to navigate to the main article for European tornadoes. The info is very standardized now since the ESSL now exclusively rates tornadoes in the IF scale as of August 2023, so a chart could be added for the 2024 article too. Yobatna (talk) 03:31, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Tornado in Sevilla, Spain (8th March, 2025)

2 tornado was observed and recorded in Spain. One in Alcalá del Río was rated IF1 and one in Mazagón was rated IF1.5.

Both of these can be found on https://eswd.eu/cgi-bin/eswd.cgi when tornados are search in Spain for 8th march.

There are further articles on https://watchers.news/2025/03/10/tornado-tears-through-la-algaba-seville-spain/ and https://cadenaser.com/andalucia/2025/03/09/un-tornado-destroza-varias-naves-en-alcala-del-rio-radio-sevilla/ Supera088 (talk) 10:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

thanks for mentioning this, i've updated the List of European tornadoes in 2025 article, which is where you can put new tornado reports from the eswd website. see the "Tornadoes of YYYY criteria" on WP Weather for more details about what to include on this main article: usually if a tornado in europe is rated if2+ or has caused injuries/deaths it should be added to the main article, otherwise it isn't notable enough. Yobatna (talk) 06:39, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thank you so much for the article, i have read it and will take note of it for the future. Supera088 (talk) 06:47, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

ENSO status vs Dec 24 ref

"It is believed that the current La Nina will affect the 2025 tornado season" [December 2024 ref]

There is not a La Nina right now, the weak La Nina that was present last year is already gone. Unless average temp waters amid a mostly warm global sea counts as a La Nina now. B137 (talk) 17:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Source? I noticed a fading La Nina was also associated with numerous outbreaks including both super outbreaks, which is... particularly concerning, given an outbreak is upcoming tomorrow. Departure– (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, there isn't any proof that the La Nina won't still affect this year, even if it is fading and won't be present. Apparently it's still active but expected to end soon, so it has affected some parts of the year surely. The season has barely started so that should really either be expanded or gotten rid of entirely. Departure– (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Capitalize all directional placeholders

Just a little reminder. A user or two have gotten into the habit of not capitalizing the second directional placeholder in the tornado tables (southern instead of Southern). Unless some kind of explicit consensus following a discussion about changing it was reached while I was away, the standard has ALWAYS been to capitalize both, and that goes back years and years. Consistency matters, and since it isn’t a real sentence and is more aesthetically pleasing to capitalize, there is no reason not to. I am slowly going through and fixing the table entries with this issue that got published while I was on an extended break, but I want to mention this so I don’t have to keep fixing it as we move forward. Thanks! Btw not capitalizing them in the actual summary is fine though, since those are complete sentences. TornadoInformation12 (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Someone is still messing with the formatting and trying to change it from what has literally been used since the early 2010s. If an official decision is made to change it, I will relent. Until then, I will continue to revert to keep it consistent with literally a decade of precedent. One user doesn’t get to make an executive decision to change formatting.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 05:21, 16 March 2025 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2025

Under the events area, ir should be Mississippi (6 deaths) and Mississippi (1 death, NOT 2) The Total deaths should be 25 for tornadoes in the U S. 2603:6010:3B00:EBBD:9D48:3F9E:B054:59D0 (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Protection level

@Ks0stm: Do you think you could either remove protection here or bump it up to semi? I don't think pending changes protection works as well for this page because it's going to need frequent edits/updates, especially now that it is tornado season. A single pending edit will hold up any subsequent edits and possibly create a mess to untangle. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

My bad; I thought more of the regular weather/tornado editors had pending changes reviewer, which would help with keeping up with any pending edits, but I see that's not necessarily the case. I've bumped it up to semi for the rest of the main tornado season. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 23:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

@Ks0stm: It's fine. I think we have a few new-ish editors working on this page. I also wasn't sure how if would work in terms of reverting/accepting, if a pending vandalism edit is holding up later legitimate ones. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2025

The deathtoll from the Selmer tornado is 5, not 6. It should say 34 deaths in the U.S., and 37 worldwide. 2603:6010:3B00:EBBD:C1D6:1821:50B6:2984 (talk) 12:44, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that claim? Departure– (talk) 12:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 17:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Izard County tornado gone?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Is it just a bug, or is the March 13 Izard County EF4 damage line gone from the DAT? Maybe an extension, or... upgrade? Seriously, though, I'd watch that path, if it isn't a bug. — E_F⁵ 12:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2025

Adding tornadoes for april 17th, 17 total tornado reports, none yet rated. Just requesting a table for it to be created in order to put those tornadoes there before and after they've been rated. For the tornadoes i know about, one touched down southeast of the intersection of N 78th st and dutch hall rd in nebraska 204.25.200.130 (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

there was also a tornado in Essex, IA which prompted an issuance of a tornado emergency. SillyNerdo (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

 Already done. The tornadoes have been included under this section. Chris ☁️^{(talk - contribs)} 22:13, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2025

Add EF0 tornado that caused "Damage Points: Tabor 1" viewable on the damage assessment toolkit to the April 17th outbreak. Dannyunown0 (talk) 00:48, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

 Already done – added under this section. Chris ☁️^{(talk - contribs)} 22:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Current “outbreak”

Should we add the ongoing tornado outbreak?? Rtx.jonathan (talk) 02:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Outbreak of Apr 19-20

I believe we should add this as a big outbreak event. Shiro MT (talk) 02:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Add the tornadic events in 22-25 Apr

I believe we should also add this 4 days into the wiki, due to there are tornadoes happening all across these 4 days, and all are with SIMILAR settings. Yesterday's event looks like there are some tornadoes to the stronger side as well, judging by the shape on numerous livestreams which are well broadcasted yesterday. Shiro MT (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@Shiro MT: The tornado(es)/tornado outbreak would have to pass WP:TornadoCriteria. Based on a quick look on List of United States tornadoes in April 2025, no tornadoes from April 22–25 have been rated yet and no injuries or deaths were reported. So, as far as I can tell, April 22–25 does not pass the criteria and should not be included on the article. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I concur. In the offchance that the NW of Roaring Springs, TX tornado receives an EF3 or higher rating it can be included, but that just isn't the case right now. — EF5 ^(questions?) 15:15, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

it'll really be the 24th-25th since the others were just landspouts. SillyNerdo (talk) 18:41, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Most of the tornadoes occurred over rural areas so damage ratings may take awhile. Kingbob2011 (talk) 19:48, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on April 28th

The April 27th section currently only details the large tornado near Hyanna, when the same supercell also produced multiple other tornadoes, some of which not only just as large, but stronger, as in violent or extremely violent based off radar.

I suggest someone adds the other notable tornadoes, or rewrite this to detail the supercell in whole, because that storm happened not only in a slight risk, but produced multiple long track, intense tornadoes. The Hyanna tornado was on the ground for around 75 minutes, by the details of storm spotters and radar. Raineoftheroses (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: Do you have reliable sources to back up any claims you want to add to the article? Departure– (talk) 16:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

"This page"

Why are all "Tornadoes of YYYY" pages opened with "This page documents"? It's in violation of MOS:THISISALIST (this page is technically a list). Asking here since I reverted a change back by @Timcigar12:. — EF5 ^(questions?) 18:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

I assumed since all those were the same that this one was supposed to be the same too, my fault. I just was scanning through it today. Timcigar12 (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Should there be a rule against "now-casting" tornado outbreaks as they happen?

The title really explains most of my question. Should there be a rule against writing sections for severe weather outbreaks before ratings are given and they can fulfill the requirements to be on this page. I am sorry if I have violated this in the past. Sojiniiii (talk) 22:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sojiniiii: I am very confused by this talk page section. Literally two minutes before you started this section, you directly wrote about an ongoing severe weather outbreak, with the "May 1" section starting with "A severe weather event is currently underway...". But, this message is about implementing a rule to not do exactly what you just did?

Anyway, confusion aside, I have actually removed your May 1 section as we do have rules/guidelines for this article. For any event to be included, it must pass one of the five criteria listed at WP:TornadoCriteria. Three of the criteria related to ratings, so that already answers your question, since, for the most part, tornado(es) cannot be added to this article until there is a rating present. The only exception to that statement is Criteria 1, which is about a tornado causing injuries or deaths. For example, the Greenfield tornado last year would have qualified to be listed, even before it was rated, since it caused deaths. But, unless a tornado injuries or kills someone, ratings are required for anything to be listed on this article. Hopefully that clears up some of the confusion. Cheers! 22:44, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

January 1 Argentina Tornado

Hey @Mathpro1000: I noticed you added information regarding a tornado in Argentina on January 1. After a quick check, it seems the tornado does not pass one of the five criteria points listed on WP:TornadoCriteria. However, there since this is a non-American tornado which I am not very familiar with, I wanted to ask you a few questions.

For any tornado to be listed in this article, it has to pass either one of the five criteria points, or be a rare oddity or a high impact tornado. So, for the tornado to remain on this article, could you explain how it is either a "rare" event, or explain how it could be considered a highly impactful tornado? Any additional information, details, or brief explanation would be useful to myself and other editors, as all tornado(es) listed on this article have to pass WP:TornadoCriteria. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

WeatherWriter, we really need to have an amendment on the "rare oddity" part of TORCRIT (maybe that can be a shortcut, too?). I outlined this at WP:NTORNADONADO (insane shortcut, I know!) but using NWEATHER as an example instead, and it really doesn't sit right with me. Also, I see you wrote WP:NWEATHER, so apologies if what I wrote at NOTENADO comes off as harsh, t'wasn't my intention. — EF5 ^(questions?) 00:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I guess it would not meet the criteria of having generated victims or significant damage, but still I consider that it does not deserve to be removed from the list, apart from having of Special that it is the first confirmed and documented tornado in the world this year (which seems to me a good detail at least mention the first and last tornado of each year) I've researched and it is the first multi vortex tornado detected in south America since the distant tornado in Marechal Cândido Rondon, Brazil, November 2015. Mathpro1000 (talk) 01:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that WP:TornadoCriteria says that a tornado outbreak is notable if it caused at least one injury/death, which the tornado on Dec 31 meets (3 injuries). There isn't an exact definition of a "tornado outbreak" but being caused by the same system is really one of the only consistent parts of the definition, so I'd argue that this should be included on that basis. Also I do think it does seem like a 'rare oddity' that this outbreak crossed years and on top of that was it pretty significant (see above). Yobatna (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Add April 27-May 1

Can someone add 4-27 - 5-1, It meets WP:TornadoCriteria No.5 with 6 EF2 Tornados 2603:6010:DA01:8607:9EDF:5CA:CFA8:15FB (talk) 21:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Per List of United States tornadoes in April 2025 and List of United States tornadoes in May 2025 2603:6010:DA01:8607:9EDF:5CA:CFA8:15FB (talk) 21:21, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Why is one of the topics for this list Antarctica?

Tornadoes cannot happen in Antarctica, so why is it one of the topics on this list?. Lizardman1222 (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Argentina tornado

So are we keeping this tornado or removing it.Because it's still flagged and has been flagged for about a month. Kingbob2011 (talk) 14:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2025

In the April month section of tornado descriptions, there is a missing segment covering the April 29th tornadoes that formed in Southwest Missouri. I believe the NWS in Springfield, MO registered 7 tornadoes, all EF-0 or EF-1. But these tornadoes and the storm system that spawned them, is not listed. Please review the April 29th severe weather event that impacted Springfield, MO and the surrounding areas. 47.213.154.181 (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2025

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Add April 27-May 1

Can someone add 4-27 - 5-1, It meets WP:TornadoCriteria No.5 with 6 EF2 Tornados 2603:6010:DA01:8607:9EDF:5CA:CFA8:15FB (talk) 21:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Per List of United States tornadoes in April 2025 and List of United States tornadoes in May 2025 2603:6010:DA01:8607:9EDF:5CA:CFA8:15FB (talk) 21:21, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Why is one of the topics for this list Antarctica?

Tornadoes cannot happen in Antarctica, so why is it one of the topics on this list?. Lizardman1222 (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2025 (UTC)