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Passed. Dracophyllum 08:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 16:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Dracophyllum (talk · contribs) 04:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I'll do this one. Cheers, Dracophyllum 04:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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1a prose

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  • why does publication history not include different editions?
    • The text has not been revised or re-edited, so the many reprints differ only trivially (size, cover, pagination, name of imprint/publisher). I've added a mention of these.
  • I have only read parts of these books btw...My impression from this article is that this book is set after tombs of atuan, and "replaces/enlarges/expands" on the original trilogy. Is this right?
    • "Acts as a corrective to", or provides a more female-centric view, perhaps. It's also a new story in its own right.
  • are grown avoid informal > are adults/have grown up
    • Done.
  • can you give some context to Goha's talents >> Mage Goha lives alone etc. Or this intentional because "Goha" is just a farmer, while tenar is a master priestess.
    • I think it's fine here; the rest of the sentence provides context.
  • consider on the face >> on her/the child's face
    • Done.
  • Ogion reveals Goha as Tenar who is Tenar? Goha's true name?
    • Other way around, Goha is the ordinary use-name.
  • plot is perhaps just a little too detailed but as I say in 3b, it's ok.
    • Noted.
  • Is there some significance to peoples true names as in Spirited Away?
    • Yes, wikilinked.
  • Earthsea novels (1968–1972); consider just putting a full stop here.
    • Possible, but it's close to being a dependent clause (would have been, with "and" instead of "it was") and goes closely with the preceding bit.
  • The initial trilogy focuses on the character and quests of Ged, with Tenar as the central character of the second book. This reads almost contradictory. Is this the second book of the trilogy? How can the Ged's quest centrally involve another character other than Ged. I guess this is possible it just reads a little oddly. Also I assume the ref for this is primary?
    • It's correct, and cited to Guynes, but of course it's all in the novels as well. It may help to know that balance and points of view are pretty important in Le Guin's work.
  • the Roman god Janus the doorkeeper, consider semi-colon
    • No, the phrases after the comma apply to the book at least as much as to the god.
  • consider not "quoting" every claim the critics make. I would prefer if you only quote when the phrasing/word choice is useful in developing the message. For example "a female protagonist" is probably not needed. Otherwise, it is valid to just summarise their claims, this is also less jarring to the reader imo.
    • The value of (very brief) quotations from scholars and critics is that it gives the reader a feeling for their tone and style as well as their bare argument, i.e. it provides a fuller and richer picture in a small space.
  • quotes an Earthsea proverb, consider colon here wild quote
    • No, that would break up the sentence, which however continues with "and" after the short quotation.
  • scholar of literature consider literary scholar which seems to be more common
    • Done, seems an odd phrase to my ears so this must be a cross-the-pond issue.
  • to Tehanu: should this be a semi-colon instead?
    • No, the colon separates a statement and an explication of it: they are not separate items.
  • what does decorous mean?
    • Linked to Wiktionary.
  • The Erlich source is weighted very heavily here, is this warranted or a just a function of detail given in the sauce? Maybe this could even warrant a subsection if it is a leading scholar? Are there other ways this section could maybe be divided? If not nvm.
    • Coverage is according to the key points in each source. Giving Ehrlich his own section would add further emphasis.
  • If I were writing in an essay I would put being, not doing each in italics, maybe there is some way to get this effect here? "" etc.
    • Wikilinked.
  • why is Awards two lines?
    • Closed up.
  • consider linking to here in external refs
    • Done.

Other

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  • 1b MOS good
  • 2a layout clean and consistent
  • 2b sources are mostly RS, otherwise just used for pronunciation or to list publications (as discogs or similar would be used)
  • 2c spotcheck
    • ref 11: good
    • ref 14 [Dirda 2017]: good, do we have their 1990 review also cited in this article?
      • Good idea, added.
    • ref 15: good
    • ref 21: [SF Awards Mythopoeic] good, why don't we mention the HOMer award nom?
      • Done.
    • ref 19: good.
  • 2d earwig picks up quotes but also the following line:
    • is a fantasy novel by the American author Ursula K. Le Guin, published by Atheneum in 1990. It was the fourth novel set in the fictional archipelago Earthsea; a sequel following almost twenty years after the Earthsea trilogy (1968–1972); and not the last, despite its subtitle. It won the annual Nebula Award for Best Novel and the Locus Award for Best Fantasy Novel. from here. Could this be reworded a little more?
      • Done.
  • 3a the analysis section seems to cover the reception and legacy also. Just looking at other book GAs, Is there any info we can include about the writing process/period
    • I've pulled out a Reception section. There isn't anything obvious to say about the writing process; scholars and critics have perhaps naturally focused on the books, and to some extent on themes like gender.
  • 3b detail good; plot section is between the 400 - 700 recommended for full length novels (it is ~600 words).
    • Noted.
  • 4 NPOV good checkY
  • 5 stable as anything checkY
  • 6a all images either valid fair use, own work (great map btw), or government work.
  • 6b images relevant as a matter of personal style I dislike left oriented images but I can't fault you for using them Could the map be moved down to avoid WP:SANDWICH?
    • Done. Effect is small/negligible, but moved it down a bit anyway.
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