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notable people section disagreement

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there are two individuals on the "Notable People" section that are not ethnically or culturally tamil. they are brahmins; not tamils. the tamil christian is ethnically and culturally tamil. brahmins are an indo aryan tribe that speak sanskrit and have a separate dialect of tamil mixed with sanskrit called brahmnik. there are no proper references given and this is disrespectful to tamil people and brahmins as you are associating two unrelated ethnicities with each other. Temporary 1010 (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a place for "ethnic cleansing"; people are generally identified as those speaking a particular language or following a particular culture for generations and identify themselves as belonging to that group; this can even override any genetic analysis. It's just whatever the sources say. Rasnaboy (talk) 04:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't ethnic cleansing to identify someone by what they are rather than lump them all into a larger "ethnic group" just because of a common language. The culture, history and dialects of Brahmins are not the same as Tamils. The only shared similarity between a Tamil and a Tamil Brahmin is the ability to speak Tamil. A Brahmin respects, knows and values Sanskrit just as much or if not more.
For the record, this is all coming from a Brahmin. The overlooking is quite disrespectful and in some cases offensive. You are forcing a tag on Brahmins that they do not have anything to do with. Temporary 1010 (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tamil-speaking Christians belong to several castes, so it's absurd to think that “Christians” constitute a singular “genetically” discernible population. There are Tamil Christians with Brahmin ancestors.
I don't understand your point of view, because it's a point of view rather than a consensual fact. In some pages, you make modifications by stating that Tamil is only a language, not a distinct identity or ethnic group. Here, you assert that a religious community formed by an amalgam of converts of diverse origins can be grouped into a Tamil “ethnic group” (in your own words), but not Tamil Brahmins (who also contributed to the constitution of said community), on the basis of pseudo-scientific racial theories (the same ones that are not recognized by scientific consensus, and are legally condemned worldwide).
You seem to be a partisan contributor, adhering to a political ideology ( currently dominating regional politics in South-East India), which strongly influences your contributions. This raises doubts about the sincerity of your work, as it seems to be politically motivated, thus going against a certain ethic. The same can be said of the racism and racially-based ideologies you convey through your edits.
@Rasnaboy BTW This is a major problem in most India and South India -related pages: the unquestioning acceptance of several sensitive modifications, based on “scientific racialism” and specific political ideologies, when they even go against academic consensus. As in the articles on South India and North India, defined solely in terms of “racialism” and “Indian politics”; Or here with this particular person, who intervenes specifically on pages related to Tamil Brahmins or Tamils, with contributions only reflecting a particular lean towards supposed racial distinctions.
Drusekoana (talk) Drusekoana (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]