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Restructuring

The subsections U.N. condemnation, MacBride commission and Israeli Kahan commission are listed under the section "Postwar testimonies by Lebanese Forces operatives" despite having nothing (or very little) to do with the testimonies. I propose to restructure the article to move the postwar testimony paragraph to a subsection of "Role of various parties" and to rename the section about the UN condemnation and the two mentioned commissions to something along the gist of "International Response and Investigations".

Sharon libel suit

I think it is worth mentioning that Sharon pursued a similar suit against Time in an Israeli court, which was settled by both parties with compensation which was reported as substantial ("Neither party would disclose the amount of the payment, but the Israeli radio reported that the figure was substantial" - https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/23/nyregion/time-magazine-and-sharon-settle-the-libel-suit-he-filed-in-israel.html).

Israeli role

Seems that the Israeli role in the massacre is underreported in the article. According to Rashid Khalidi in his hundred years of war book: "However, documents released by the Israel State Archives in 2012 and the unpublished secret appendices to the Kahan Commission reveal even more damning evidence of these individuals' culpability, which was far greater than the original 1983 report lays out. The documents expose long-deliberated decisions by Sharon and others to send the practiced Phalangist killers into the Palestinian refugee camps, with the aim of massacring and driving away their populations." Makeandtoss (talk) 10:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"If Sharon's forces did not carry out the actual slaughter, they had nonetheless armed the LF to the tune of $118.5 million, trained them, sent them to do the job, and illuminated and facilitated their bloody task with flares." Makeandtoss (talk) 10:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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“Change ‘As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed, but did not take any action to stop it’ to ‘As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed and they acted, but late and inadequately’” ^[1]Some attempts were made to stop the Phalangists, although they were delayed: On Friday morning (September 17), Brigadier General Yaron and Major General Drori ordered the Phalangists to halt their operation. Chief of Staff Eitan later confirmed that pressure (including from the U.S.) led to the order for the Phalangists to leave the camps by early Saturday 2.54.175.108 (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Not done. The source in our article (Malone) does not mention Yaron or Drori. I did a search for you, but could not find any other sources that could confirm the text that you would like us to add. So I close this edit request. If you would find good sources that confirm your text, please feel free to change the edit request back from answered=yes to answered=no. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 07:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Malone, Linda A. (1985). "The Kahan Report, Ariel Sharon and the Sabra Shatilla Massacres in Lebanon: Responsibility Under International Law for Massacres of Civilian Populations". Utah Law Review: 373–433. Archived from the original on 17 April 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2013.

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Under, Aftermath, Lawsuits against Sharon, Relatives of victims sue Sharon:

After Sharon's 2001 election as Israeli Prime Minister, relatives of the victims of the massacre filed a lawsuit.[117] On 24 September 2003, Belgium's Supreme Court dismissed the war crimes case against Ariel Sharon, since none of the plaintiffs had Belgian nationality at the start of the case.

Proposed Edit:

After Sharon's 2001 election as Israeli Prime Minister, relatives of the victims of the massacre filed a lawsuit to the Belgian courts.^[1] As a result of pressure from the US government, the Belgium government tightened their juristiction laws leading to the case being dismissed on September 24th 2003, since none of the plaintiffs had Belgian nationality at the start of the case.^[2] Jagaann (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done with some minor tweaks. Day Creature (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Description of suggested change: em dashes — This is a sure sign that AI has been used for at least wording style

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20:50, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Not done. Nothing wrong with using dashes and not necessarilly a sign of AI. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

|answered=No Well it is in this case but fine, I'll move on...

Please remember to sign your comments, @BiscuitsBeforeBias. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 01:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Malone, Linda A. (1985). "The Kahan Report, Ariel Sharon and the Sabra Shatilla Massacres in Lebanon: Responsibility Under International Law for Massacres of Civilian Populations". Utah Law Review: 373–433. Archived from the original on 17 April 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2013.

[2] ttps://web.archive.org/web/20231012022529/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/25/israelandthepalestinians.lebanon

[3] ttps://web.archive.org/web/20080910230718/http://www.redress.org/publications/UJ%20Update%20-%20Dec03%20-%20final.pdf

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