Talk:River Idle

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Missing bridge

There's a bridge missing in Retford. After Carr Bridge is the Park Bridge which is visible from Carr Bridge and sits between Carr Bridge and Bridgegate Bridge. It is a pedestrian only bridge like Carr Bridge. This is a picture of it. https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/6298235 Can someone add this info please.84.68.31.252 (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Missing information

There's still a lot of missing information as it concentrates a lot on boating but misses out eg fishing and wildlife. I've added a section on flooding but I took much of the info from Retford wiki so we need to add data for other villages along its course and link this to changes such as effects of drainage schemes and changes of course, along with building on flood plain.SandrinaHatman (talk) 07:21, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added references for most of the flooding events which did not have them. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not count as a reliable source for Wikipedia articles, so anything you copy still needs to be referenced properly to reliable sources. Bob1960evens (talk) 17:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great Northern Railway

I intend to remove the sentence about the GNR affecting the already dwindling traffic. It is unreferenced, and the railway was not built until 1849, but the article already states that all commecial traffic had ceased by 1828. Bob1960evens (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Further investigation suggests that the 1828 statement was the opinion of Piercy, a historian from Retford, and was not actually the end of commercial traffic, so I have updated the article to reflect this. Bob1960evens (talk) 22:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rural Rides by Daniel Defoe

The etymology of the River Idle is referenced to Rural Rides by Daniel Defoe. I cannot find any mention that Defoe wrote such a book. The only known Rural Rides seems to be William Cobbett's book. Can anyone throw any light on this? Bob1960evens (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source is Defoe, but from vol.3 of his tour of Great Britain - I have corrected the citation and amended the quotation to match the source. EdwardUK (talk) 18:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'pulverised fuel ash' not 'paraformaldehyde'

There is a reference to 'paraformaldehyde' under the Conservation and Wildlife sub-section. This appears to be incorrect. The reference should be to 'pulverised fuel ash' or 'PFA'. It appears as though there has been an accidental mis-referencing of PFA from the original source (Hobson, Gary (27 August 2016) incorrectly across onto the Wikipedia page which states/interprets PFA as ‘paraformaldehyde’ rather than ‘pulverised fuel ash’. 2A02:C7C:C2C6:9700:2DBA:23BE:7C9A:540A (talk) 17:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the text to pulverised fuel ash, and updated the link. Pulverised fuel ash makes a lot more sense. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

Has been edited to be incorrect. "This preserves what might have been an earlier ending -ea (meaning river.)" Ea is not "an ending" (Notice it isn't at the end) but an Old English/Old Norse noun for Water and is preserved in many UK place names. Dell/dale is a small valley - it is then contracted in colloquial speech to -dle over time. So Ea-dell/Ea-dale becomes Idel and then Idle. This is a typical pattern of placename formation and also corresponds to what we observe - a shallow valley with a river flowing through it. It is very unlikely to mean "empty space" (actually that word in OE has more of a sense of void or uselessness), as we know that it wasn't empty but was farmed and inhabited for Millenia. Nor does it mean idle as in slow because it isn't slow. When figuring this stuff out you really need to look at the geographical topology and then the history of it in written documents and align this to historic words, rather than simply copying a possible etymology because in modern English the words are spelt the same. Hence why we have the problem of people thinking it means slow river when actually it's really fast flowing. Typically river names are old and descriptive.