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No, Vance has not endorsed "reactionaries" or "neo-reactionaries"

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I've read the article that one or two editors have used to shore up the idea that Vance is a reactionary. But he never clearly says so. Is there some other news piece where he identifies as such? If not, it should be pulled back. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at this closer, this article has some serious distortions. The section heading on this topic suggest that he identifies with a movement he doesn't identify with. Also, someone has attributed the following quote to him — "I think Curtis Yarvin’s monarchy ideas are bonkers, but you know what? He’s absolutely on to something real with his concept of the Cathedral" but it is not Vance who has said that. There's a bit of cleaning up to do in this piece. Am suddenly very aware of the direction we're given in WP:BLPSTYLE "Do not label people with contentious labels, loaded language, or terms that lack precision, unless a person is commonly described that way in reliable sources." Before this subject is given any labels, we must ensure they have not been derived simply from the company the person kept at some point in the past; moreover, before the subject is given a label, I believe we would all need to be convinced that he has been "commonly described" as such, not once off in an opinion piece, by a critic, many years ago.MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with User:MatthewDalhousie that as per WP:BLP, we cannot label Vance as neo-reactionary in the lead, as most WP:RS sources do not introduce his political position as such. RogerYg (talk) 09:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion on JD Vance TALK page also did not have consensus to include neo-reactionary. RogerYg (talk) 09:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point @RogerYg.
MatthewDalhousie (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RogerYg Looks like another discerning editor has already removed the material with "contentious labels" which is good. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

possible overreliance on quotations from Vance in some sections

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Some of the sections in the article quote extensively from Vance himself (e.g., this one). Although the quotations are mostly taken from secondary sources, the quotes themselves are primary sources. The Talk page for WP:PRIMARY is currently discussing the policy statement that an editor should "not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them" (emphasis added). We seem to be in that territory here. WP:BLPPRIMARY also says to be cautious in using primary sources. Is the article text sometimes relying too much on quotes from Vance? Or is that appropriate, given that the article is about his political positions and secondary sources think direct quotations are a good way to capture some of them? FactOrOpinion (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2024

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The statement is made that is made that J.D. Vance is against Same-sex marriage. However, when following the citation I cannot find he where he said he was against same-sex marriage, but rather a statement that said there were bigger problems than a bill to codify marriage protections. Actual statement saying he is against same-sex marriage is not present. New citation or edit to the claim is needed. 204.93.117.253 (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: appropriately cited, see WP:SECONDARY. Or check out the Political positions of JD Vance#LGBT issues and gender roles section Cannolis (talk) 01:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Social security

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WHY haven't we changed it to an investment corporation 2600:1011:B17C:C21D:DC35:C9FF:FE45:3F5E (talk) 17:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2025

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Rationale: what someone thinks of the issue overall guides all of the rest of their actions. An overarching comment like "I don't care what happens to Ukraine" is perhaps even more meaningful than "prefers a negotiated peace" or any one stance on a wide topic.

Thus I think this should be added to this line: "Vance has said he "doesn't really care what happens to Ukraine", also stating "I think that there are a lot of democracies in the world”<ref here>. He opposes continued American military aid to Ukraine during the ongoing Russian invasion, and says he prefers a negotiated peace.[24][25][26]

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jd-vance-gets-long-awaited-moment-admonish-ukraines-119313180 Lincoln2020 (talk) 11:39, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Noting also that the requesting user has been site banned - that does not prevent anyone else from starting a discussion about this proposal if they so wish. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:51, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2025

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Remove third paragraph in Economic Policy -> Labor Unions, which reiterates the same information as in the second paragraph quote (from Liz Shuler). Spoonberry (talk) 03:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I removed the last sentence (that reiterated the same information) and moved the next to last sentence up. Lova Falk (talk) 09:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2025

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Vance has criticized the Biden administration for "depriving the Israelis of the precision-guided weapons"

Add the word "perceived" deprivation of precision guided weapons since by many media accounts, Biden did send those and its not a NPOV statement.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/4/biden-notifies-us-congress-of-planned-8bn-arms-sales-to-israel-reports 2405:201:9004:E1CD:865B:2905:3A74:A0F5 (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I wrote "alleged", and I added half a sentence with your source, but I don't know if adding that sentence constitutes WP:Original Research. In that case, that half sentence will be deleted again. Anyway,  Done Lova Falk (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS On second thought, it actually is OR so I removed that half sentence. Lova Falk (talk) 08:20, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]