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The contents of Leadership transition in the People's Action Party was merged into People's Action Party on 7 August 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. For the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was Merge. Seloloving (talk) 03:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Leadership transition in the People's Action Party page was created in 2012 and largely forgotten about over the intervening years since. The original editor has now been blocked for sockpuppetery, but the contents written are still relevant and written by the original account. I propose a merge into the PAP's main page; more information can also be expanded upon for the transition from GCT to LHL and the failed succession plan to HSK. Seloloving (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as the leadership transition article is too short (and has insufficient notability) to be its own independent article, but I believe such information still warrants a mention in the main PAP article.R22-3877 (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. – robertsky (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Not sure why there's even a separate article in the first place — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.56.91.222 (talk) 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Though some of the statistics (example Election results) can be split out from the article to make it less table heavy. @Seloloving: I believe you can do the merge whenever you are ready. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 04:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I will do it when I have the time. The LKY-GCT transition is more complex than originally thought, according to Men in White, and I plan to pursue that together with the LKY article revamp, unless someone beats me to it. Seloloving (talk) 06:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Democracy

It is an authoritarian party and from the state there is a tendency towards indoctrination. To say that it is only because of the economy, that people vote for them is nonsense. Marcos96a (talk) 17:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It seems totally inappropriate to barely even hint at what political scientists recognise to be Singapore’s significant lack of democracy in many areas. There should certainly be a reference in the introductory paragraph to Singapore’s quasi-authoritarian system of government. Anybody reading the intro would assume the PAP is analogous to a typical democratic political party, which is an absurd suggestion given Singapore’s system o government. 150.203.2.220 (talk) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Third Way

I object to the inclusion of "Third Way" as an ideology. Of the three references, the first is from 1999 and does not explicitly say that the PAP is "third way", but that the "Asian values" of LKY represent a third way; the second is from a website that is not running (at the time of writing); the third does not say that the PAP are "third way", let alone in this ideological sense, instead it says that the PAP is a conservative party and suggests classical liberalism as an alternative to the PAP and the left-liberal opposition. Because of this, I am removing it. Horarum (talk) 21:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first source talks about the Third Way of the one Clinton and others. It say's that Singapore find also a third way, which is similar to the one of Blair. 89.12.184.135 (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The IP user that responded is a long term abuser (LTA) that has been blocked over and over. Keep an eye out for if/when they return to this page to add the ideology back. They really enjoy adding poorly-sourced ideologies to pages; the ideologies are often derived from WP:SYNTH or WP:OR, using extra reasoning not employed by the source. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Revisit the political position

The reference that describes the PAP as a centre-right party is a dead link and an old source from 2002. The PAP has evolved ideologically since then, softening on its social views and adopting a centrist approach to governance. I would suggest changing the political position to Centre to Centre-right. GodzillamanRor (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GodzillamanRor Find a source. – robertsky (talk) 14:40, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page 115 of https://www.academia.sg/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/George-2020-Opposing-dominant-party.pdf . It describes the PAP as a centrist party that appeals to a large spectrum of Singaporeans and taking the middle ground. GodzillamanRor (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The dead link has been fixed. I’d say the PAP can be seen as a big-tent party, since it adopts policies from both the left and the right. But at its core, it’s been a conservative party for decades that leans more to the right, so I think describing it as centre-right is still the most accurate, based on various sources. I don’t think the PAP’s ideology has changed much since the book was published in 2002, unless Lawrence Wong suddenly goes back to the party’s roots and becomes a democratic socialist, which seems pretty unlikely. MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply, I agree with you. PAP is still relatively leaning to the right. GodzillamanRor (talk) 10:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]