Talk:Park51

Park51 has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 21, 2018	Good article nominee	Not listed
March 19, 2018	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 17, 2010.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that while Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it was a "very appropriate place" to build it, 64% of polled Americans felt it was wrong to build the Cordoba House mosque near Ground Zero?

Current status: Good article

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Park51 article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

Discussions on this page often lead to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments and look in the archives before commenting.

New York City Low‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: September 11 Mid‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject September 11, 2001 (assessed as Mid-importance).

Islam Mid‑importance

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Architecture Low‑importance

	Architecture portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

The contents of Park51 controversy was merged into Park51. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. For the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

Archives

Index

Archive 1	Archive 2	Archive 3
Archive 4	Archive 5	Archive 6
Archive 7

This page has archives. Sections older than 21 days may be automatically archived by when more than 4 sections are present.

Regarding the lede?

Hey all, wanted to modify the head of the article to more accurately reflect why the proposed building was so controversial. It seems like the article is stepping around the subject. The head reads like this:

Park51 (originally named Cordoba House) is a development that was originally envisioned as a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan, New York City. The developers hoped to promote an interfaith dialogue within the greater community. Due to its proposed location two blocks from the World Trade Center site, it was widely and controversially referred to as the "Ground Zero mosque".

From an international perspective, it doesn't really seem clear to me why it's controversial. I would submit the following for review:

Park51 (originally named Cordoba House) is a development that was originally envisioned as a 13-story Islamic community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan, New York City. The developers hoped to promote an interfaith dialogue within the greater community. Due to its proposed location two blocks from the World Trade Center site of the September 11 attacks, which were perpetrated by the Islamic terrorism group Al-Qaeda, the proposed building was widely and controversially referred to as the "Ground Zero mosque".

I get that the subject of this article is controversial as hell, so I'm asking other editors for thoughts. Appreciate it! <4 Kobentori (talk) 05:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just added to the lede to describe how the controversy was part of an astroturf campaign. I cited Jane Mayer's work where she showed how Robert Mercer funded the effort. She also discusses the role money played in elections in Iowa.

I also added the report from American Progress on the David Horowitz Center and folks like Pamela Geller. Jgmac1106 (talk) 00:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Work not yet started on Islamic Center as of end of 2020

Source: https://newyorkyimby.com/2020/11/construction-on-45-park-place-remains-stalled-in-tribeca.html

Two sections on Controversy

There are two subheadings about Controversy

Background and Controversy and Controversy.

I propose Background should just be about history. The 9/11 attacks, history of lobby groups, and the increase in funding following Citizens United in the US that lead to the influx of cash funding the controversy

Then in the Controversy section we focus on the actual controversy about building Park 51, Jgmac1106 (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Background and Controversy section and Controversy section are redundant. Not sure on the best way to separate the two and honor past editors. Will give it a day and see if other have an opinion Jgmac1106 (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2025

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Change the link on "astroturf" from the page on literal Astroturf to the one on "Astroturfing". Ranierij (talk) 22:22, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done PianoDan (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]