Talk:Netherlands

Increased Jewish population source JMW

According research of JMW the Jewish population in Netherlands increased. It’s about Circa 65,000 Jews in the Netherlands.

see sources: https://joodswelzijn.nl/site/uploads/2024/12/Definitieve-versie-factsheet-demografisch-onderzoek.pdf

https://jonet.nl/israelis-zorgen-voor-groei-aantal-joden-in-nederland/

https://www.trouw.nl/religie-filosofie/joodse-gemeenschap-groeit-en-wordt-israelischer~b62038a8/ 2A02:A446:4E09:0:7098:C266:59C7:12E (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

This figure is for enlarged Jewish population. 06:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Wiiliam I

We say, "William Frederick raised this United Netherlands to the status of a kingdom and proclaimed himself as King William I in 1815."

Can this really be true? Did William envisage himself as the first of a long line of Kings named William, or did he just proclaim himself as King William?

After all, the English monarch Elizabeth was not known as Elizabeth I until centuries later when a second ruling Queen Elizabeth turned up and there was now a need to distinguish between the two queens. --Pete (talk) 09:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

The numbering is a deliberate deviation from the stadtholders Willem I to V. Additionally, the future King Willem II was also already in his twenties in 1815. Therefore, it is less unlikely than, for example, Elizabeth. Dajasj (talk) 09:14, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Density confusion

The article states the country is the 33rd most densely populated country and yet when you click on the link to that page, it has it as the 26th. Which one is right? RyanPLB (talk) 11:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Netherlands vs Holland

The first sentence states:

"The Netherlands, informally Holland, is a country ..."

However, referring to the whole country as 'Holland' is discouraged by the Dutch government and often considered a faux pas by inhabitants of the other regions of the country (See also this entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_Low_Countries#Holland). Given that the context of the country page is the country, would it not be more correct to rephrase it to as something along the lines of 'The Netherlands, historically also referred to as Holland, is a country ...'. Or perhaps leave it out entirely here, since there are other pages discussing it? 2A02:A442:777E:2:F984:D5FD:A19F:50C3 (talk) 11:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Many, if not most, English speakers primarily call the country "Holland". It's up to Wikipedia to reflect this in the lead without wagging its finger on behalf of people who don't like this. "Historically" isn't even correct, because that usage is current, it isn't something found only in older publications. In the section on the country's name, it's appropriate to point out (in a neutral tone) that it's a semantic shift from the names of the provinces.

I've struck out some of what I wrote originally because on reflection I realized that in previous discussions along the same lines, I've perhaps conflated what people say with what's found in reliable sources. I'm now thinking a priori that perhaps reliable sources consistently use "Netherlands", in which case it would be reasonable to qualify the use of "Holland" in the lead as "often popularly called" or something like that. I still reject the position of some that we should engage in finger-wagging by writing something like "erroneously". And "historically", as I wrote above, is incorrect. Largoplazo (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)