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Movie Appearances

I haven't seen any of the movies listed here, but surely the notes here should be short and to the point? Film trivia (like where the Hitchcock film was shot) should be under the actual film. The summaries of the Team America and Trail Mix-up were completely incomprehensible if you hadn't seen the movie so I took them out. Feel free to rewrite. --Tedneeman 07:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Considering 'Mount Rushmore' is how this monument is commonly known, wouldn't this article be better placed at Mount Rushmore? --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 01:03, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


maybe you can add this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:LocMap_Mount_Rushmore.png

I remember that something very similar to Mt Rushmore is also featured in the movie Richie Rich, though I am not very sure of it...

Susan B. Anthony?

A little-known fact about Mount Rushmore is this: In 1937, a bill was introduced in Congress to add the head of Susan B. Anthony, but a rider on an appropriations bill in Congress was passed to require that funds be used to finish only those heads that had already been started. (Source)

Is this true? If so, why is this missing from this article? --Klaws 21:20, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I think the Library of Congress is a reliable source. I added it to the article (with citation). Cmadler 19:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Sacred Mountains?

Shouldn't there be a comment on this page about how the Sioux think about having huge faces carved into mountains sacred to them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.128.127.64 (talk • contribs) 08:21, 29 December 2005.

Yes, if a verifiable source can be cited. See WP:V. It should be made clear whether it is this particular mountain that is sacred, or the Black Hills in general. What do they think of the Crazy Horse sculpture? Is this a consistent viewpoint? Also, see WP:NPOV. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This is one source American Vertigo : Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville; I will try to find more.

Appearances section

My reading of the WP:MOS is that the subsections of Appearances should contain short representative lists of the most notable instances of Mount Rushmore in film, print and games. These sections should not include every instance since the lists would become so long as to have little or no value and would give the impression that such uses are more important than its history or geology.

There is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic. Wikipedea is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Wikipedea is not a mere collections of internal links.

Consequently, before adding to this section, please take the following steps:

  • be sure that the article that you are linking mentions Mount Rushmore. We should not be sending readers that are looking for information about Mount Rushmore to articles that do not mention the term.
  • verify that your entry is famous because it is associated with or significantly contributed to the notability of Mount Rushmore.
  • verify that your addition is as notable as the examples already listed and that Mount Rushmore plays a major, not just a tangential role in the work.
  • consider replacing an existing less-notable entry.
  • justify your edit on this page.

Finally, if you disagree with my reading of the manual of style, leave your comments here. Please don't edit the article to make your point. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC) [edit]

GA?

I'm wondering about whether or not this article should be listed as a GA, considering that:

  • Lead is too short
  • Only 1 footnote and 2 references?
  • Weak, short sections (and paragraphs)
  • I'm assuming that there are definitely more appearences than those few listed there?
  • Ecology: At least some of the usual animals and plants should be incorporated into the text.
  • The short list in the Geology section should be removed and switched w/ prose

Perhaps if the article becomes USCOTW, these issues should be addresses. Personally, I don't believe this article is good enough for Good article status, but I'm open to other opinions about this article. AndyZ 01:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

There was some vandalism done on the article, mainly in a caption which dubbed Washington "Amazingface" and also called the other three presidents "Brenda Stimson." There was also a meaningless paragraph alluding to the aforementioned Brenda Stimson. I assume that the vandal was motivated to deface the page because of a juvenile interpretation of the word "bust," as there was also a reference to bra sizes. Hrkool 00:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Mount Rushmore is a fairly frequent vandal target. It isn't as bad as Global warming or George W. Bush, but is worse than Polar Bear. Thanks for reverting the vandalism (WP:RV). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wsiegmund (talk • contribs) 01:30, 2 February 2006.

Full height?

Wasn't Mount Rushmore at first going to be carved larger... down to the waists of the presidents? If so, that should be covered in the article.

Why?

As in, why did they build it? Does anyone have any insight on the proposal to build it? Was it a make work project during the great depression? When was it first proposed? Why is it in South Dakota instead of somewhere else? I'm hoping that someone who is much more knowledgable on this topic can help answer these questions that I had after reading the article. Thanks! ClarkBHM 16:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I added why they built it- the incentive being by Doane Robinson to attract people to go to the Black Hills area of South Dakota (without even noticing your comment at first!). It was proposed first in 1923. AndyZ 23:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Who decided?

In the TR article it states:

Roosevelt, together with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, was chosen by President Calvin Coolidge to be depicted in stone at the Mount Rushmore Memorial.

This article makes no mention of that, only that

Congress authorized the Mount Rushmore National Memorial Commission

It should be clarified how it was decided who would be on Mt. Rushmore.

Zaui (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Photos

Who made the decision to switch the photos of the page? Willshepherdson 03:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Please review the edit history of the article. [2] Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The reason was WP:PR but when did the public review occur? Willshepherdson 05:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Please follow the link to Wikipedia:Peer review/Mount Rushmore/archive1 at the top of this page. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Ok. Willshepherdson 15:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the image (by the way, it is peer review). The image you added to the article imo doesn't look as good as the image that you removed, especially since Theodore Roosevelt is completely in shadow. A gallery is being proposed to add more images into the article. AndyZ 20:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Good idea! Willshepherdson 23:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Chances are the gallery will be located at Mount Rushmore/gallery, with the link being provided in the See also section. AndyZ 23:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
A good alternative, if the images are in commons or can be placed there, is to add a commons tag at the bottom of the article. See Western honeybee for an example. There, the commons tag takes the reader to commons:Apis mellifera gallery page. Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, under the External links section there already is a link to the Wikimedia commons, though apparently there are only 5 images in that category for Mount Rushmore. Thanks anyhow though. AndyZ 01:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
How did I miss that? Thank you for your patience. Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Tourism facts

Drafting out a few facts to add to a tourism section as brought up in WP:FAC:

  • The second largest industry of South Dakota (after agriculture) is tourism: Mt. Rushmore receive 2.75 million visitors in 2005.<ref>[http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060317135109990018]</ref>
  • A strict ban on abortion implemented in South Dakota led to an angry outcry by abortion supporters who threatened to boycott Mount Rushmore.
  • Mount Rushmore is the number 1 tourist attraction
  • Lincoln Borglum Museum open everyday besides Christmas (from 8 to 5) features two 125-seat theaters that show a 13 minute movie about Mt. Rushmore.
  • The monument is illuminated at dusk for 2 hrs
  • Grandview Terrace, above the lincoln museum, is a great viewpoint for mt Rushmore.
  • From spring to fall, the Sculptor's studio built by Gutzon Borglum is open, with talks about how the mountain was built along with the tools used.
  • Ampitheater, below the sculpture, includes a 30 minute program that discusses the construction of the memorial, ending with the lighting of the sculpture.
  • Presidential Trail goes from Grandview Terrace through ponderosa forests to Sculptor's Studio. <ref>[http://www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/content.asp?catid=69&contenttypeid=16]</ref>

AndyZ t 17:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Tourism

Mount Rushmore illuminated at night

Tourism accounts for South Dakota's second largest industry. Mount Rushmore is the number one tourist attraction of South Dakota. In 2005, over 2.75 million visitors traveled to the memorial.[1]

The Lincoln Borglum Museum is located in the memorial. It features two 125-seat theaters that feature a 13 minute movie about Mount Rushmore. One of the best viewpoints is located at Grandview Terrace, above the Lincolon Borglum Museum. The Presidential Trail starts at Grandview Terrace and winds through the Ponderosa pine forests to the Sculptor's Studio. The studio was built by Gutzon Borglum, and features discussion about the construction of the monument as well as the tools used. The ampitheater also has a 30 minute program that describes the construction of the memorial that occurs at dusk. Following that, the mountain is illuminated for two hours.[2]

A recent strict abortion ban implemented by South Dakota caused a great outrage amongst abortion supporters. Certain of these groups urged for a boycott on Mount Rushmore and other South Dakota tourist sites.

United Sates Mint

Should'nt we mention in this article that the United Sates Mint will issue in 2006 the South Dakota commemorative quarter with which depicts the Mount Rushmore? (see 50 State Quarters for details. CG 13:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Lichens?

Does anyone know the exact effect that lichens and other types of things that live on the stone have on the monument? Should something be mentioned about why, not just that, lichens are removed by conservators?--ttogreh 07:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent Article

This article concenring Mount Rushmore is laid out so beautifully with a clear and a critical explanation and also with excellent photos that help to high light it all. I hope this article is one day sighted on the front page for it's excellent information meritswww.geocities.com/berniethomas68 01:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I came here for information, and left with all that I needed, and a clear understanding of the site, history, and with enough media to get the visual appearance as well (atleast as best I could without having visited it personally). How do you nominate an article as a good article, according to Wiki guidelines? Ubergenius 14:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Controversy section

I felt that the last part of the History section meritted it's own subtitle in the article and duely added a "controversy" section. Others may with to move this to elsewhere within the body of the article, but I felt that this paragraph was distinct from the chronology of the "history" section... 69.140.65.251 01:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Gutzon Borglum's KKK associations/contradiction with other article.

In the article, it says Gutzon Borglum was a Ku Klux Klan member, but in Borglum's individual article it says he has "sympathetic connections" that were evaporated by the time he carved Mt. Rushmore. This might need to be fixed in one article or the other.

Stone Mountain confirms Klan membership without reference, and Gutzon Borglum does not contradict, but rather says he fell out with the (Stone Mountain) Association. I've added an academic article as reference here.--Carwil 17:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Who exactly is the one democrat among the two Republicans on Mount Rushmore? TR? No, Republican and then Bull Moose. Lincoln? Nope, he was the first GOP president after the collapse of the Whig party. So it must be Jefferson, right, because everyone knows Washington was nonpartisan Federalist and held office before the establishment of the two party system. Nope. Jefferson was an anti-Federalist, aka (non-GOP) Republican. So there are actually three Republicans and one Federalist on Mount Rushmore. No Democrats within sight -- yet.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.86.167.87 (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Jefferson's "Republican" or "Democratic-Republican" party evolved into the modern Democratic Party. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Records

Borglum also carved a massive chamber in an area behind Lincoln's head that he intended for storage of the US governments most precious documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc). His argument to congress failed, but the US Park Service placed a vault on the site with representations of those documents as a time capsule of sorts. Borglum's plans also included placing a bust of every US President in the Hall. I am new to Wiki, so I am not sure how to go about editing/adding this info to the site.ChristopherTD 01:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

In a canyon behind the carved faces is a chamber, cut only 70 feet (21 m) into the rock, containing a vault with sixteen porcelain enamel panels. The panels include the text of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, biographies of the four presidents and Borglum, and the history of the U.S. The chamber was created as the entranceway to a planned "Hall of Records"; the vault was installed in 1998.[15]

This is wrong, and if you actually read the reference given, you'll see that the original sculptor planned a hall of records, but the federal government wouldn't fund it, so the only thing that exists is a carved door frame. Someone with some authority here should fix this since I can't seem to edit the article myself. daverted —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC).

Lock

Why is the article not locked ?? It is on the wikipedia front page ! Is this a change of policy ? Pradiptaray 03:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Definitely, it just got hit again. I clicked on "More", and all I saw was the quote "I LOVE REALLY BIG PENIS" (sic). Thankfully it was fixed about 15 seconds later, but come on, a featured article not locked? Highlander3751 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Currently, 6:55 EST PM December ^ 2006, there's a very offensive message that I refuese to repeat under the flora and fauna section that I ask a reputable member to remove.

We don't protect today's featured article.--Chaser T 03:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Read it more carefully... we do protect the FA sometimes. --W.marsh 22:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


The entire history section was just deleted. Someone needs to fix that.

What is wrong with the MAD reference?

What makes a reference to MAD Magazine any less significant than The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Muppets, or Superman? Why don't these references get removed as well?

This is the finished edit, it was removed before I finished refining it:

On the cover of the February 1957 issue of MAD Magazine (Issue #31), the cover depicts Mount Rushmore with a fifth face as well, that of Alfred E. Neuman.[3]

The reference link takes you to a picture of the mentioned cover: Cover of Mad #31 (February 1957),

billdescoteaux 06:20, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The point in the section above (though I'm sure the MOS has changed since it was written) is that the appearances section will balloon with examples unless limited to those where Mount Rushmore became more famous because of its appearance in the medium and Mount Rushmore's appearance was significant in the episode/issue/film/whatever. Actually, looking at this more closely, a cover on Mad Magazine probably did contribute to some of the mountain's already significant fame. I removed it because I was following the section's hidden note which says to remove an insertion if it doesn't link to an article that mentions M. R. Since it's a cover of a reasonably popular magazine, I may have been mistaken and for that I apologize. Nonetheless, some of the other examples you list should probably be removed, as they don't link to articles that mention M.R. either. I am going to do that now, but I'd appreciate it if we could stick to WP:1RR and discuss the insertion of any future appearance references before reverting over and over--this is not so much directed at billdescoteaux as it is at anyone else who may be contemplating inserting a reference.--Chaser T 06:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the recent edit. Since the cover of that MAD issue certainly meets the criteria for M.R. appearing on it quite dominantly, maybe it could be reinserted, in a bullet-form like the other items? billdescoteaux 07:06, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure. We should probably change either insert a reference to Mount Rushmore in one of the articles you want to link or change the guideline (both the hidden comments and make a comment in the section in this talk page). Which do you think is the better option?--Chaser T 07:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, as stated, I've provided a reference link. I will go ahead and insert the reference in bullet form. The link is also in this discussion, just prior to your first response of my inquiry. billdescoteaux 07:24, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of an "Appearances in Popular Culture" section is to get a sense of how the subject is viewed and understood in society, not to provide additional factual knowledge about the subject. There's nothing in the The Muppets or Alfred Hitchcock that mention Mt. Rushmore, nor do those topics tell you much more about the monument per se. The appearance of Rushmore in Cabinet magazine/Matthew Buckingham's poster [3] provides exactly the sort of cultural understanding that an appearances section is for.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blamblamblam (talk • contribs)

I wrote the comment in the "Appearances in Popular Culture" section because it was apparent a year ago that the section is a magnet for material that violates WP:NOT. Hundreds of appearances exist. Editors naturally think that that "their" instance is WP:N. However, we should be guided by WP:CONTEXT, Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles and Wikipedia:Trivia. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Or the "leader" addition to description of Crazy Horse

My edit which added two words to the "See also" section got reverted. I added the words Lakota and "leader", since saying that the Crazy Horse Memorial is a sculpture of a Native American is not saying much for someone who didnt read the article and just browsed through to the bottom.

Further, why are asymmetric references not appreciated for Mount Rushmore ? Reverse linking is simply not plausible in some cases, especially for magazines with thousands of issues, and often important content. I personally would like to think that the MAD magazine is more visible than something like The Family Guy. Pradiptaray 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional Cultural References

Clearly Mount Rushmore has been a big influence in the japanese anime Naruto where in Konohara (Hidden Leaf) Village, the main four leaders (Kage) have their faces carved into the living rock. This type of effect is prominent in many TV shows I think.

An aerial shot of Konoha showing the Mount Rushmore parody, Mount Hokage
  • You're right about that; an obvious parody of Rushmore can be seen in Naruto, but some editors ditch the Naruto Rushmore reference, although the spoof is sort of notable. Blake Gripling 12:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

There is also a miniaturized version of Mount Rushmore in "the world in miniature" in Cornwall, and is also featured in the film "The Truman Show" when they use famous places to show he has visited externally to his "island". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.252.32.77 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Another reference to Mount Rushmore is in a Dexter's Laboratory episode. In this episode, Dexter summons Washington while Mandark summons Lincoln (or vice versa). The two stone Presidential monoliths that emerge begin to fight each other. They eventually end the argument when they find that they have similar views much to the chagrin of the boy geniuses. Zuracech lordum 16:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Mount Rushmore also appears in National Treasure 2 where it is the location of the lost city of gold named Cibolla. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trybalnet06 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

What is an encyclopedic reference? I saw a plastic pyramid on a desk, should I mention it on Pyramid? (SEWilco 03:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

In the universe of the Ben 10 franchise, Mount Rushmore is the location of the main Plumbers (a sort of intergalactic police force) complex. DanMat6288 (talk) 16:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Racial Slur in Article

Black people are reffered to as animals as well as niggers in this article. this is highly inappropriate and offensive.

Its been dealt with. Gdo01 21:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It was an act of vandalism. Such things happen from time to time, though as the front-page feature this article should have been locked today to prevent such meddling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.232.225.165 (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The Simpsons' Reference?

Lame Deer said the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled." I remember an episode of The Simpsons with a statue that looks like the one with mount Rushmore, and it had a tree grow out of it's eye brow. Is it a reference to the staff? Lightblade 10:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Why was my appearances in popular culture addition, deleted? I wrote about Courage the Cowardly Dog and Dexter's Lab68.48.141.3 00:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Most likely, they did not satisfy Wikipedia policies and guidelines in the judgement of the editor that removed them. Please see WP:N, WP:NOT, WP:TRIVIA and WP:V, for example. Please see "What is wrong with the MAD reference?" above. You might have better results contributing to another section of the article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Appearances

I have again removed almost every "appearance in popular culture" instance from the respective article section that doesn't link to an article that mentions Mount Rushmore in some way. As Walter Siegmund said above, hundreds of appearances in pop culture exist. Linking to everyone is not helpful to increase someone's understanding of Mount Rushmore (which is why I'd presume they are reading the article) when the next article makes no mention of Mount Rushmore. By contrast, when readers go to Deep Purple in Rock, for instance, the album cover there makes very clear the impact and cultural significance of Mount Rushmore, thereby informing the reader.

The one link I didn't remove is to the MAD TV issue, since there is an external link directly to a large image of the magazine cover and since Alfred E. Neuman is an extremely well-known face. This seems like a suitable exception.--Chaser T 04:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What I'm going to say is a long strech, but I recommend just making a whole new seperate article called "Mount Rushmore's appearences and impact on popular culture and link it on this article. Then there wouldn't have to be a debate on which appearances are more important. If anyone thinks this is a good or bad idea, just respond. Thanks 68.34.239.31 06:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bad idea because it will simply invite the creation of a bigger list of trivia.--Chaser T 07:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

How about adding the Mount Carlmore reference in the Simpsons episode Half-Decent_Proposal? Cmdr Adeon 17:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Whats wrong with the reference to PnT Bullshit Show Episode ENTITLED Mount Rushmore about the ORIGINS OF MOUNT RUSHMORE. I guess because the show didn't mention Mt. Rushmore enough?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.82.93 (talk) 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Would the Plumber complex under Mount Rushmore on Ben 10 qualify? Rushmore has played a key role in multiple episodes of the series, including "Secrets," "Truth", the "Ben 10,000" episodes, and "Ben 10 vs. The Negative 10." DanMat6288 (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Mt. Rushmore Workers

Is there a list of names of the men who helped construct Mt. Rushmore? In particular, I am wondering if any of them are still with us.--Brianmccollum 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

See here - it's a MS Word document from the National Park Service listing the worker's names. — Zaui (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Needs Verifiability

Shouldn't "Borglum, was not a member of the Ku Klux Klan, as has been reported in many books and articles, and he had difficulties with the people who hired him to do the work in Georgia. Borglum learned of their Klan affiliation and ended his work with them. They were very angry with him for quitting and wanted him to stay to finish his contracted project but he refused. They tried to arrest him, he also became angry, and ended up destroying his sculptures, and left the state never to return." have a reference? Scottedwards2000 18:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Why not completed?

We have an image with caption "A model at the site depicting Mount Rushmore's intended final design". Why was the monument not completed? --Doradus 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • As it says in the history section: "insufficient funding forced the carving to end.[7] Originally, it was planned that the figures would be carved from head to waist" --W.marsh 19:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Original Intention

I'm not american but what about this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=15sawR6t4b8&feature=related

seems like the monument was meant in some other way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.64.149.120 (talk) 03:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

pic

I think the pic of Air Force One Jet flying over mt Rushmore don't belong. Can someone fix it?The Legend of G (talk) 02:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleted picture of the model

Can someone inform me why the photo of the model of the originally-planned design was deleted? I received explicit permission from the author of the photo to upload it onto Wikipedia and use it within this article. It would have been nice if someone had...you know...actually *ASKED* me to update the licensing information before deleting it. I would have been more than happy to do it, of course.

It's too bad because I felt that it was one of the more encyclopedic and interesting photos within this article. Great job on improving the quality of the article... -- mcshadypl TC 04:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I found a picture of a model on commons and added it to the article. — Zaui (talk) 22:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

intro

the intro says it attracts 2 mil a year, the link given doesnt say anything about how many people visit. In the info box it gives a figure from 2006 that is closer to 3 mil. Does no one check the sources given on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.172.58 (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Repeated statement

"The carving started in 1927, and ended in 1941 with a few injuries but no deaths"

"Notably for a project of such size, no workers died during the carving"

Exact same thing, mentioned twice. Delete one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.205.43 (talk) 20:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

North by Northwest

How can you have an entry on this mountain without mentioning this? It's one of the most famous Hitchcock scenes. I understand why you might not want to mention its appearance in Team America etc, but Hitchcock is significant here. --MacRusgail (talk) 11:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Before the carving

How about adding a photograph of the mountain taken before the sculpting began. Such a photgraph would be well over 70 years old and probably no longer copyrighted. Jimknut (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

location;pennington county,south dakota. nearest city;keystone,south dakota established;march 3,1995 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.164.233.114 (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

In alternate or future history / fiction

What movies have had Mount Rushmore altered with one or more future presidents? I seem to remember a black woman was added in some movie set in the year 2050 or something. 68.0.119.139 (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking Sharon Stone, or maybe Raquel "Rocky" Welch. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have created Mount Rushmore in popular culture to address these kinds of things. bd2412 T 19:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Adding Reagan?

Is it worth mentioning that a few years ago there was a proposal to add Ronald Reagan to Mt. Rushmore? (Source: BBC News [4] -- notice that the BBC have managed to flip the photograph!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KarenSutherland (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

No. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
There probably should be a mention of the fact that there have been calls for it to be enlarged to include other figures. --MacRusgail (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It is only a matter of time until Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan are added. However, that will require at least another 50 years since present day conservatives would block the first and liberals the last, with Truman opposed by both. Truth be told, Jackson should be up there too, but Native American sensitivities will forever bar him. -Sam Hogg, 8/3/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.92.173 (talk) 15:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It is very unlikely any other figures will be added. Funding is one issue, another is tradition. Even the current sculpture is unfinished, because funding was stopped. And we have a sense of what Rushmore "is", and there would be great resistance and endless politicking against messing with it. It would be like adding cornrows to the Mona Lisa. Perhaps most importantly, there would also be concerns about the risk of damaging the other sculptures from additional dynamiting on the site. The sculptures look strong, but Mother Nature alone has a way of destroying what appears to be solid, and great care is taken to try to stave off the slow but persistent effects of nature. Dynamiting elsewhere could threaten the sculptures. We don't need George Washington to become another "old man of the mountain". Other Presidents? Forget it. It won't happen. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, no one would agree to it. Jackson? Let's cause a depression, displace natives, destroy the power of the legistlative branch, have duels, yadda, yadda, yadda. Maybe when the government's running a surplus people would consider it. But look for a different mountain to be carved. Besides, they could've done Jackson then, but didn't. That alone should be enough to disqualify him, because the opinion of him was better then than now.71.247.102.31 (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Dubya will soon be added, along with a gigantic sculpture of the shoe he ducked. On a football telecast on Sunday, there was talk of adding guys like Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton, because they "rushed more" than anyone else. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Controversial Controversy

"The Monument also holds controversy in the alleged idea of an underlying theme of racial superiority legitimized by the idea of Manifest Destiny.[citation needed] The mountains have been carved with Borglum's choice of four presidents active during the time of the acquisition of Indian land."

This unsourced statement should be removed if a citation is not added soon. Mainly cause I disagree with the whole ridiculous notion. Manifest Destiny was realized long ago, and America is what it is, love it or leave it. --64.149.41.61 (talk) 22:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sceptical of it. Most of the whites probably weren't even aware of the mountain's true significance. --MacRusgail (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
It be gone, say I. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Since this article is semi-protected, I have a question about the peaceful takeover and renaming of Rushmore to Crazy Horse Mountain in 1970. According to what I have seen and heard, it was not only AIM members Dennis Banks and Russell Means, but also a group of United Native Americans led by Lehman Brightman. The 1970 NBC news video interviewing Brightman can be viewed here on Quanah Parker Brightman's YouTube channel. Quanah Parker Brightman is the son of Lehman. There are also photos of newspaper clippings posted on Quanah Parker Brightman's Facebook concerning the takeover. If necessary, I think I could acquire copies of the photos of the articles. Please let me know what the next step should be. Thanks! Atuuschaaw (talk) 22:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

  • "peakbagger" :
    • [http://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=6234 Mount Rushmore, South Dakota] ([[November 1]], [[2004]]). Peakbagger.com. URL accessed on [[March 13]], [[2006]].
    • [http://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=6234 Mount Rushmore, South Dakota] ([[November 1]] [[2004]]). Peakbagger.com. URL accessed on [[March 13]] [[2006]].
  • "timeline" :
    • [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rushmore/timeline/timeline2.html American Experience] "Timeline: Mount Rushmore" (2002). URL accessed on [[March 20]], [[2006]].
    • See above
  • "KAHS" :
    • Keystone Area Historical Society [http://www.keystonechamber.com/kahs/characters.html Keystone Characters] (accessed [[October 3]] [[2006]]).
    • Keystone Area Historical Society [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rushmore/peopleevents/e_stonemtn.html The Carving of StMountain], ''[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rushmore/index.html American Experience: Mount Rushmore]'', PBS (accessed [[October 3]] [[2006]]).
  • "NPSfacts" :
    • [http://www.nps.gov/moru/faqs.htm Mount Rushmore facts], National Park Service.
    • [http://www.nps.gov/moru/pphtml/facts.html Mount Rushmore facts], National Park Service.
  • "FloraFauna" :
    • [http://www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/ru/flora/index.html Mount Rushmore- Flora and Fauna]. American Park Network. URL accessed on [[March 16]] [[2006]].
    • [http://www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/ru/flora/index.html Mount Rushmore- Flora and Fauna]. [[American Park Network]]. URL accessed on [[March 16]] [[2006]].

DumZiBoT (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe these are all now resolved. —ADavidB 02:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Dates for Gutzon Borglum

Can someone add (1867-1941) to the first mention of Gutzon's name in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballparkfm (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. You could have done this yourself. Did you question it for some reason? —ADavidB 11:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Rushmore was made to represent some of U.S.A's most poppular presedents. It has George Washionton, Tomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Licoln all carved on mount rushmore. It is one of the United States most poplar visited sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.200.103 (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Maintenance

Maintenance to Mount Rushmore. Part of me was rather curious about how this is accomplished, and the article is lacking in that department. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

displacing

The article says “The Lakota consider the hills sacred, although historians believe the Lakota also gained control of the hills by force, displacing the Cheyenne in 1776.” First of all, which historians? The reference doesn’t say. Second, it seems that the sentence is a straight paste from the reference. Jikybebna (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

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  3. ^ Cover of Mad #31 (February 1957), MAD Magazine Covers. URL accessed on December 5, 2006.
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