Talk:Miss Supranational 2025

Flags

Although Wikipedia’s Manual of Style generally discourages the use of non-sovereign subnational flags (per MOS:FLAGRELEVANCE and MOS:NONSOVEREIGN), there are certain contexts where such flags are considered appropriate.

One such context is international beauty pageants (e.g. Miss Universe, Miss World), where regions like Puerto Rico, Curaçao, Hong Kong, or Guam participate as distinct and officially recognized entities. In these cases, each territory fields its own representative, separate from the sovereign state it may be affiliated with. Therefore, using their respective regional flags is both relevant and informative.

This differs from contexts where flags of subnational regions (such as states or provinces) are used without necessity or international significance. In beauty pageants, the flag visually identifies the delegation and reflects how the organization treats the region — as an individual participant on the world stage.

No, there is no "local consensus" that overrides Manual of Style. This has been asked and answered at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons/Archive 17 and ANI threads. There is further explanation of how I see consensus as having developed at Talk:Miss World 2025. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, in the context of beauty pageants, using the flags of Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan can be acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines — if certain conditions are met.

These territories often compete independently from China on international pageant stages, and are officially recognized by the pageant organizations themselves. For example:

• Contestants wear sashes labeled “Hong Kong”, “Macau”, or “Taiwan”
• They are not competing under “China”
• Their participation is distinct and identifiable

Therefore, the flags reflect actual representation, not just regional affiliation. This makes their use relevant, as per:

• MOS:FLAGRELEVANCE – flags are appropriate if they are directly related to the subject
• MOS:NONSOVEREIGN – subnational flags may be used if there is a clear and sourced reason

That said, usage should be consistent across the article, based on reliable sources, and not just for decoration or national pride.

In short:

✅ It can be appropriate to use the flags of Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan in beauty pageant articles — if they are officially competing under those names and identities. RaSriAiem (talk) 11:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

And by the way, the basis of your argument is clearly just based on your own interpretation — and on the preferences of a few people who disagree. But this is an exception case, and I’ve told you that many times already.

The table itself is labeled "Country/Territory", which already settles the matter. So please stop with the constant flag changes — it’s inconsistent and needs to stop. There are far more useful things to do on Wikipedia than constantly reverting flags.

According to the guideline, flags can be used if they are directly relevant — and in this case, they clearly are. These contestants are representing those territories directly, and you should show more respect to the people representing those places. RaSriAiem (talk) 11:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Fun fact about Curaçao: Curaçao and Its Status in the Kingdom of the Netherlands

Curaçao is one of the countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, which consists of four main territories:

• Netherlands (the main territory in Europe)
• Curaçao
• Aruba
• Sint Maarten

Curaçao is not part of the Netherlands (the country in Europe) but has the status of a country within the Kingdom, with self-governance in many areas such as local governance and education. However, it remains connected to the Netherlands in some areas, such as foreign relations, defense, and finances.

Thus, Curaçao and Netherlands are considered equal in their status as "countries" within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, but they are not in the same position as the European Netherlands. RaSriAiem (talk) 11:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

In notes list of this article said ''Curaçao is a constituent country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands'' and ''Netherlands is a constituent country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands''

This has been in place for a long time. I’m mentioning it because I hope it might make you feel better, as I’m the one who wrote the note because I knew someone would try to make changes. That’s why I created the note. If you still feel the need to change the flag, you could try changing it to a note instead, as a note is the best way to provide additional information about why, how, and any other questions you might want to address RaSriAiem (talk) 11:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Since we don't agree and perhaps have had this discussion elsewhere, I've requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

The point is, you don’t truly understand or analyze this issue thoroughly — and that’s why you fail to see the reasoning. It’s not that I’m disagreeing with you personally. What you’re doing is just following Wikipedia’s rules, which is fine. But those rules also allow exceptions. That should already explain why the use of this flag is valid. As long as Wikipedia doesn’t explicitly prohibit the use of such flags, there’s no reason it should be disallowed — especially when the flag is directly relevant to that specific region or context. RaSriAiem (talk) 22:56, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

I’ve explained this to you several times already. In this case, I’ve consistently provided reasons why its use is still appropriate. However, it seems the same approach keeps being taken. At the end of the day, no matter how many people weigh in — even a hundred — it won’t truly make a difference unless you take the time to understand it from your own perspective RaSriAiem (talk) 22:59, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

By replacing the flag of Curaçao, it may come across as disregarding its political status, which is equal to that of the Netherlands and other constituent countries within the Kingdom. I believe that, in addition to some possible misunderstandings, there’s an opportunity here to further explore and understand the context more deeply. I kindly encourage you to remain open to different perspectives RaSriAiem (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

3O Response: If Curaco gets its own entry seperate from the Netherlands, use its flag. Otherwise, use the Dutch one Closetside (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this up. Yes, every territory that participates in beauty pageants does so as its own entity, showcasing its unique identity and cultural representation. It's not just Curaçao — there are others like Puerto Rico, Hong Kong, Macau, England, Northern Ireland, etc. In some cases, participants may also represent broader groups of people, such as Native Americans or Latin communities.

I believe this is appropriate and justified, as it directly reflects their identity — similar to how it's handled in sports. For example, Puerto Rico competes independently in the Olympics, the Faroe Islands have their own national football team, Hong Kong participates under "Hong Kong, China," and Kurdistan, representing an ethnic group rather than a sovereign state, takes part in international competitions through organizations like CONIFA.

Wikipedia's rules don’t prohibit this, as long as the flag or representation is directly relevant and appropriate within the context. RaSriAiem (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

I fully agree. Closetside (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Miss Supranational.

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