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A fact from Markwayne Mullin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 November 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that U.S. Representative-elect Markwayne Mullin took over his father's plumbing business when he was 20 years old?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Markwayne Mullin.

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Need More Info About How Unqualified He Is

Mullin was in his twenties during the 9/11 attacks, yet he didn't sign up for military service, nor has he ever since then. He's a plumber, not a soldier, and the idea of him taking on this position is absurd. Once again, Trump has chosen all the worst people.

MMA Record

We may have to fix the bit on Mullins MMA record. From The Oklahoman today: Mullin’s Senate biography says he had an undefeated 5-0 record in The Octagon, the eight-sided MMA ring, and is a member of the Oklahoma Wrestling Hall of Fame. MMA sites Tapology and Sherdog each list him with a 3-0 record in matches in 2006 and 2007. The reasons for the discrepancy weren’t immediately clear. Source TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since we're not investigative journalists, we should wait and see if The Oklahoman (or another RS outlet) is able to clarify this for us. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feud with Sean O'Brien

There is no mention of it on the Sean O'Brien (labor leader) page, despite that it was largely brought about by statements and accusations that O'Brien made towards Mullin on Twitter. rogerd (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOFIXIT. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This probably also belongs on Sean's talk page, not here. But while we have this section heading, the feud section does not need three subsections that are weirdly not chronologically presented. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee Nation citizenship

The WP:MOS, specifically WP:NATIONALITY, supports adding dual citizenship to the first sentence. First, it says The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; Mullin is a citizen and resident of the Cherokee Nation and he is notable as the only Native American in the Senate. All of those factors favor inclusion.

Secondly, the guidance specific to Native Americans favors its inclusion Native American and Indigenous Canadian status is based on citizenship, not race. Indigenous people's citizenship can be listed parenthetically, or as a clause after their names. We have a line in the MOS about including this information in the first sentence of the lede. Is there consensus to keep a mention of his Cherokee Nation citizenship in the first sentence of the lede? TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems reasonable. The policy of the Cherokee Nation is to not have any minimum amount of Cherokee ancestry to be a member, so my understanding is that even people who aren’t as closely connected to Cherokee culture and society as Mullin is could still be members of the Nation. Anythingyouwant (talk) 06:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"He has consistently voted against the interests" etc etc

Hallward's Ghost, since you're a regular I'm not going to bother giving you an edit warring template but this is now the fourth time you've added this content without any consensus. WP:ONUS dictates that it's on the person adding this content to find consensus to include, so I'm leaving this message here. There are an infinite amount of reasons why this edit you keep restoring should not be in the article.
1. As I said in the edit summary the last time, there is nothing in the sources you added this content to about his great-great-grandmother, the Dawes rolls or the necessity for a certain amount of Cherokee blood for membership. The closest is in the blog source, "if I have managed to trace correctly", and identifying his ancestors, but nothing about who exactly these relatives are to him, how much Cherokee blood is needed nor the blood quantum. WP:HIJACK applies, and so your version is creating a verifiability issue.
2. Neither source says he votes consistently against the interests of the Cherokee. The The Nation source says "As a first-term lawmaker, he has already illustrated that he won’t necessarily stand with other Natives and their best interests in Congress." - "won't necessarily stand with other Natives" does not mean "consistently voted against the interests of the Cherokee", it means what is said there. The ICT post comes slightly closer to it, but it is a blog and an opinion piece at that.
3. Both of these articles are about the same thing. Drawing "he has consistently voted against their interests" is a WP:SYNTH violation.
4. The content on the VAWA is already included above in the article, as has been added recently. — ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:01, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to add that calculating and including blood quantum for Cherokee Nation citizens is probably WP:UNDUE. They are correct that the Cherokee Nation doesn't consider blood quantum for enrollment, but that fact also makes it UNDUE to include blood quantum. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 13:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, fair enough. My problem was mainly that it wasn't in the source provided, but even so there is a dueness issue there. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]