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Manhattan is the site of both the Old and New WTCs

It should be mentioned in the beginning of the article with the end saying "The former was destroyed in the september 11 attacks" Kennev123 (talk) 23:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is already in the article - see the 21st century section. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OpenStreetMap map removal

Hello @Castncoot: I'd like to know more details about the reason for this edit. I think having a detailed map of a city (or, in this case, a borough) is never out of place in a Wikipedia article. I composed that map from OpenStreetMap last year, because I had found out the (at least, for me) incredible fact that there was no good quality recent map of Manhattan at all, in Wikimedia Commons. Manhattan, the best-known area of one of the most influential cities in the world, and a decent map from the last 50 years was lacking. The map is already used in other articles, but I think it is also useful in Manhattan article. MGeog2022 (talk) 13:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MGeog2022: Not sure if you're aware, but there is already a far better interactive map up near the top right of the page. The map you've added appears clunky, with poor resolution and takes up valuable real estate on the page without adding anything constructive. Or am I just missing something? Castncoot (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Castncoot, yes, I know about the existence of the interactive map, and it's very useful in the sense of having an always up-to-date zoomable map, but, on the other hand, I think that having maps as an image is also very important, because of their historic value on the long term, and because of their consistent state over time in general (I'm talking about having them in Wikipedia, or at least in Wikimedia Commons, not necessarily in this article).

The clunky look you say, I suppouse you are talking about the borders. Of course I agree that it isn't aesthetic, maybe in the future I could try fixing this in some way and uploading an improved version to Commons. Composing that map was a great deal of work at the time, so maybe I overvalued the result.

The map is already used in other articles, and we have the interactive map you said, so, OK, there is no need to include it in this page. By the way, having all the limitations you said, it's by far the best 21st Century map of Manhattan that exists in Wikimedia Commons just now. If someone with better skills than me could compose a better one (with data from OpenStreetMap or any other free source), it would be appreciated: we are talking about the best known urban area in the world. Recent USGS maps have a very questionable quality (I've uploaded some of them to Commons; several sheets are needed to cover full island, but the result of joining them would be, at least in my opinion, much more disappointing than the map I created from OpenStreetMap). MGeog2022 (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @MGeog2022:I think your map has potential, I'm just not certain of the best way to incorporate it into this or other Wikipedia city articles as a standard feature. Certainly something to think about though. Best, Castncoot (talk) 22:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Castncoot, thanks. There are really many Wikipedia articles about cities, and of course it isn't possible to have image maps in all of them, but I think it's something that contributes to article's content, when a free map is available. If there are freely licensed maps from sources other than OpenStreetMap (for example, this map), they are also very useful. Maps can also be created from OpenStreetMap with far higher visual quality than mine (for example, this one). MGeog2022 (talk) 13:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @MGeog2022: Thank you for the suggestion! Best, Castncoot (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of MOS edit

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@Castncoot: Your revert edit summary was unresponsive to my bold edit summary. You gave no indication that you read the linked MOS guidelines, let alone understood them.

At MOS:OL, "New York City" is specifically listed as one of the things to be unlinked. See bullet 8.

The remainder of the bold edit was a routine linktext improvement per MOS:EGG; no link was removed. boroughs of New York City is a clearly better predictor of Boroughs of New York City than is five boroughs. This should be uncontroversial.

There is no PAG basis to revert either part of the bold edit. Please self-revert until you have a consensus to deviate from the guidelines. Thank you. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- First of all, it's absolutely untrue that New York City cannot be linked. It's linked all the time on Wikipedia, the guideline guides it to be linked with responsible discretion when the link is relevant. And as the parent article, New York City is as pertinent as it gets here. Yes, your edit was bold, but way off mark in this instance. Castncoot (talk) 02:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. WP:OL specifically says things should still be linked when particularly relevant. I cannot imagine someone claiming New York City is irrelevant to Manhattan. oknazevad (talk) 04:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article review

It has been a little bit since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and noticed the following:

There are uncited statements in the article, including entire paragraphs.
At almost 12,000, this article is too detailed and WP:TOOBIG. I think spinning out and trimming prose can begin with the sections that already have a "too detailed" yellow banner on top of them.

Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Manhattan

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There are uncited statements in the article, including entire paragraphs. At almost 12,000, this article is too detailed and WP:TOOBIG. Spinning out and trimming prose can possibly begin with the sections that have a "too detailed" yellow banner on top of them. Z1720 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A ridiculously embarrassing problem is that it's claimed since 2007 that Manhattan Island's 22.7 square miles while it claimed for over a decade that Manhattan (borough)/New York County land area's 22.83mi² even though the borough+county includes other land which can't possibly sum to ≤0.185 mi² which is the max possible (22.835-22.65) and no one ever complained. These are likely both borough land maybe counting piers and/or water level differently as I once cut a map of Manhattan that didn't seem naked eye fucked up (many are) into 1 mile squares and leftovers cut to pack 1 mile squares and got something like 17 mi². Whether that includes lakes or not (I don't remember) that's still way under 22.65. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's no way in hell Roosevelt Island, Wards Island, Randalls Island, Liberty Island, Ellis Island, Governors Island, U Thant Island, Mill Rock & Marble Hill sum to 0.185 mi² they're effing huge in fact Wards and Randalls Island alone is 0.81 mi² (consistent with its dimensions eyeballing it), Governors Island's 172 acres (172/640 mi²), Roosevelt Island's 0.23 mi² & Marble Hill's 0.145 mi². Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As hard as it may be to believe, land areas are always being remeasured and they constantly change. The 2024 County Gazetteer File for New York State lists a land area of 22.658 square miles for New York County / Manhattan. We can dig further and analyze the Census Bureau's data for Manhattan island and all of the other islands / land masses in New York County / Manhattan Borough, but it's little surprise that there are differences between data from different sources calculated at different times using different techniques. Where there are such discrepancies, they should be appropriately noted, but they are not necessarily indicative of "a ridiculously embarrassing problem". Alansohn (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]