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I believe it would be a mistake to merge this article to some other article. As you can see the navigation infobox at the bottom of the article - the English Wikipedia has many more articles which contain detailed lists of inventions and discoveries in many other various countries world wide in addition to having articles that contain only a more general overview of the fields of science and technology in those countries. Why should we make an exception in this case? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:55, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since no one decided to participate in this merge proposal discussion and/or to answer my above question, if no one would participate in this discussion by tomorrow, I would go ahead and remove the merge template from the article tomorrow. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MergeKeep -- The articles go over the same material. A few things are listed here, that aren't covered in detail on the other page. I suggest we take the things that aren't mentioned on the other page, put them in, expand on them, and be done with it.
I wasn't suggesting that it be in list format. I was pointing out that the same things were mentioned in the other article, making it virtually redundant. However. I did notice that there are similar lists for other countries, again, despite heavy overlap. As such, I am changing my vote to Keep.
There are countless reliable sources on the web that confirm the claim that the Israeli researchers Nachum Kedar and Haim Rabinowitch from the Agriculture Faculty of the Hebrew University developed the cherry tomatoes. Nevertheless, the article Cherry tomato on the English Wikipedia specifically states that cherry tomatoes were actually cultivated since at least the early 1800s. So what exactly did Kedar and Rabinowitch develop? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are many many many examples of cherry tomatoes cultivated before the 70's, which is when Israel claims to have invented them. ([1], [F. Smith, Andrew (1994). The tomato in America: early history, culture, and cookery. ISBN978-1-57003-000-0.], [2], [3], [4], [5]). Near as I've been able to figure, Kedar and Rabinowitch developed a variety of cherry tomato. The Israeli government has been claiming that the cherry tomato was an Israeli development in an effort to make Israel look better[6]. (I'm not sure how making claims that are easily verified as false is supposed to do that, but there you have it.)--StvFetterly(Edits)19:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cherry tomatoes are known from as far back as Aztec Mexico in the 15th century in Mesoamerica. Also in the 19th century CE Greek chroniclers noted Greeks bringing cherry tomato seeds back from the Sinai in Egypt Santorini (tomato). The claims on this Israeli variety, is just that simply one variety of something that has existed again since at least as far back as Aztec Mexico!
Bamba is a corn puff, and corn puffs were invented in the USA in the 1930s. I don't really think substituting peanut flavor for cheese qualifies as an invention, but even if it did you're quite right - that was first done in Germany.--FergusM1970Let's play Freckles14:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I was wondering if it'd be okay to add a new sub-section under "computing" about popular Israeli made/created phone application. I don't know if this type of "inventions" should be included in the article.. Some possible sources I considered using are: 1234/5. Any comments? Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 19:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that Waze is a good candidate to put in such a section (it can also include computer programs such as ICQ, not just phone apps), but be careful to put there only the most prominent programs. Eldar (talk) 01:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the items listed here are only inventions by the most generous criteria imaginable, especially in the defence section. For example the Tavor, Uzi and Python are all undeniably Israeli-designed weapons, but Israel did not invent the assault rifle, submachinegun or air to air missile. I'd say these are new designs rather than inventions. --FergusM1970Let's play Freckles01:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with this entry, there's an awful lot of entries on this page that are barely unique inventions/discoveries and quite a few erroneous claims. Galdrack (talk) 12:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beagle 2 appears as an invention in a similar list of innovation & discoveries.
Yet it is not the first landing spacecraft, and Britain didn't invent the concept of landing spacecraft.
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This page has quite a lot of innaccurate entries and claims, a big problem stems from the opening text "inventions and discoveries by Israeli scientists and researchers, working locally or overseas.".
Including Israeli's living overseas is very misleading given the title and is not very representative. On similar pages this is not the case as the inventions/discoveries are generally attributed by the country itself or previous versions of that country (Eg different French republics).
Agree - this feels like a list of products tenuously linked to Israel -- eg Wissotzky Tea, a company founded in Moscow in the 19th century, is headquartered in Tel Aviv. This doesn't make it an Israeli invention or discovery. Or Safed Cheese, produced since 1840 in Safed, which means it was invented more than 100 years before the founding of the state of Israel), plus some actual innovations and inventions that are directly from Israel. Is Israeli Whist an invention worthy of a mention, rather than just being a mention in the variants section of the Whist page?
Exactly, the opening bold statement is also extremely broadly applied " inventions and discoveries by Israeli scientists and researchers, working locally or overseas" is a stretch in especially given how citizenship works in the modern age.
It should be updated to only inventions from Israel post founding and even then the vast majority of what gets added to this page are actually patents for companies and not actual inventions or discoveries, most of the worst I've removed but there's stll plenty of poor ones (I don't think the Uzi is an invention) that should be removed but users keep spamming them in here. Galdrack (talk) 10:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know I actually reverted all the recent changes as they added dozens of entires most of which were companies, patents or incorrect assertations.
I also removed some foods that did not originate in Israel, I'll fix the additions you made though as I think they're more sincere tbh. Galdrack (talk) 12:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GenericUsername2702 very much in the same boat but the amount of vandalism on this page was too much for me to ignore it tbh and it's mostly ignored which means it's really just me editing it currently apart from either spammers adding news articles or people sincerely adding stuff often from the hebrew version here. Galdrack (talk) 09:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The additional info is nice but doesn't change the fact this isn't an invention or discovery but a branding/patent. It's like saying "Volkswagen invented the Volkswagen Golf" which isn't accurate as they designed, developed, manufactured, patented and branded it but they didn't "invent" it because it's just a type of car"
No, this is not correct. ZK-STARK's are not a brand or patent - there are numerous independent companies working on building particular variations of ZK-STARK schemes, there is only one Volkswagen.
ZK-STARK's have a standard definition in academic literature, and a large depth of research into various schemes.
The chief invention here is the MNT4/MNT6 elliptic curve parameters, which were discovered through running an extensive computer search across a cluster (612,000 compute hours). They are a unique mathematical object in of themselves, which demonstrate non-trivial properties, worthy of note in the same way the n'th "xyz" prime is worthy of note.
Thanks, no rush on the full explainer mind I'll be reading through both this and next week on it and might not get back before then. Galdrack (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liamzebedee have you had the chance to compose part two?
From the post so far my opinion hasn't changed as what you're saying here "there are numerous independent companies working on building particular variations of ZK-STARK schemes" reads the same as "there are numerous independent companies working on building particular variations of cars", they're variations on an invention not inventions themselves and slight differences wouldn't count as inventions either.
"MNT4/MNT6 elliptic curve parameters" they are just parameters or specs then? Like that's not the same as the concept of the X-Y-Z dimension chart which is itself a way of framing physical reality via math and would fall into the "discovery" category under a mathematical proof rather than an invention, also importantly from reading the source you provide that company didn't define MNT4/MNT6 it was two other people right? I think computer science and math can often be confusing around what qualifies as an "invention" since they're all about approaching math problems in different ways but unless they don't fundamentally alter that approach it isn't a discovery or invention.
This might sound needlessly strict but the issue here is that company's constantly promote new Patents or software as an "invention" when in reality it's more akin to a patent.
On further research, I don't think ZK-STARK's are fully an Israeli invention.
Re: the MNT4/MNT6 curve. I think I understand what you're saying and perhaps my language has been inaccurate here. The invention is in discovery of a PCD-friendly (proof-carrying-data, the parent category to ZK-STARK cryptography) cycle of curves. To elaborate from the original paper which introduced MNT4/MNT6 [1]:
> Main technique: PCD-friendly cycles of elliptic curves
> We observe that if this field F′ is the same as the aforementioned native field F of the zk-SNARK’s statement, then recursive composition can be orders of magnitude more efficient than otherwise
> For example, a PCD-friendly 2-cycle consists of two curves such that the (prime) size of the base field of one curve equals the group order of the other curve, and vice versa. Our implementation uses a PCD-friendly cycle of elliptic curves (found at a great computational expense) to attain zk-SNARKs that are tailored for recursive proof composition
So within the classification of an invention, (MNT4,MNT6) is the first PCD-friendly 2-cycle of curves (a 2 cycle requiring 2 curves). The MNT refers to Miyaji--Nakabayashi--Takano, which is a separate category invented by those researchers. So the MNT4/MNT6 refer to an instance of an MNT curve with particular parameters that were discovered by the authors in [1] using computational methods at great expense. (MNT4,MNT6) were searched for as a pair, since their utility comes from a property of their relationship that was defined in advance (outlined in previous paragraph).
What do you think? I think something here qualifies as an invention. The curve parameters no, the curves themselves no, the pair of (MNT4,MNT6) together potentially, the discovery of "a PCD-friendly cycle of elliptic curves" yes. However, the issue with the last point is that it is basically nonsense without context - the only use case for this curve cycle is in establishing a scalable ZK-SNARK scheme, which was first described or pioneered/invented in [1]. Perhaps you could offer what you think would be a good approach here.
@Liamzebedee no worries for forgetting I was away for ages too sure. First of all thanks for writing it out, secondly this stuff is very interesting and impressive and I'm saying that now for framing cause I'm not being dismissive but I'm rather clinical when it comes to defining the terms for these.
So I don't think this is either an invention or discovery at all but it seems like one, if I'm right in understanding effectively a ZK-STARK is used in blockchains as a proof specifically a Zero Knowledge Proof and blockchains themselves are effectively a Cryptogram. In this instance they've created an alternate method that will (ideally they state) make the Cryptogram more efficiently, what you're saying here "the only use case for this curve cycle is in establishing a scalable ZK-SNARK scheme" is correct because that's how a Cryptogram will work by design. I can see the issue with my earlier comparison it would probably be better to compare this to say a different model of key or say a different model of safe being constructed that uses a new method for the locks to function that make it harder to break into or whatever.
See it's hard to explain here how it's not a new invention/discovery because it fits a lot of the descriptions but still misses the core aim of an invention/discovery is to create/find something that either does something new or wasn't known before. In the case of cryptography and safemaking the entire point is to make it in a way no one has before but you're essentially still doing the same thing, instead it's the user who has to do something different, or well hacker/safe cracker.
The biggest issue with including it is that cryptography especially is infinite in nature and as such including entries like this could lead to the page essentially becoming only cryptograph methods and currently the page already has more than it should imo but usually it's some measure of a reference. I think there should be a completely different article made for them tbh but I don't want to like "erase" them or anything. I also feel the same way about this one too, by the looks of it blockchains will become a fairly big thing in Israel given it's Cryptography usage so a page on these could be something worthwhile in future.
I dunno how much of this specific work was done in Israel itself like you mention but that's a discussion for later I guess.
About half of the inventions got removed. I wonder if it happened in articles of other countries or only Israel... Drip irrigation, flash drive, UZI and desert eagle. Everything got removed after October 7th. Bar Harel (talk) 22:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bharel hello, it seems you're unfamiliar with Wiki etiquette Particularly Assume good faith, it's a very serious allegation to be throwing out with very little support.
As it stands I've listed the reasons in the removals you and the other user are welcome to make a talk page post to discus any item you find the removal of unclear, as it stands the page has been poorly curated and quite a lot of poor sourcing was used when adding items, you can also see by the post above this I have no issue discussing the removal of entries.
Some cases are quite clear my friend, and the etiquette went out of the window after the repeated canvassing. I don't assume good faith in case of clear POV pushing, nor in civil-POV pushing and wouldn't mind reporting this to WP:AN if you wish. Happy new year, Bar Harel (talk) 00:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
“Good faith” lol, all your edits have to do with Israel/Palestine, low effort gaslighting.
I think you’d be better off helping your people make their own history instead of trying to erase Jewish history. (and gaslighting when you get called out for it) Naknikia (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, first edits in December, trying to erase stuff from this page. Then more was erased. Apparently Fanta that exists in the German inventions article is a more important invention than drip irrigation which Israel holds a 30% stake on its global market. It increased crops yield by up to 75% helping to fight global hunger but is less important than an orange tasting carbonated drink... Bar Harel (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drip Irrigation wasn't invented there, cars are used all over the world and primarily built in China but they aren't a Chinese invention.
Usage/importance doesn't make something an invention or discovery and if you have an issue with Fanta being listed in the German inventions then you can remove it from there, it's listed under "cuisine" which is a nebulous region and hardly covers "inventions or discoveries" but instead you'd rather waste time making spurious claims upon other users which is a violation of Wikipedia principles and also extremely sad. Galdrack (talk) 09:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Asked for a third opinion. I know we'll go into an edit war if I revert the majority of your edits on this page. The removal of almost the entire Israeli high tech and defense industry, which were in this article for 10 years until you created the account and immediately made your changes, is a big red flag.
According to your sentiment, we can remove all of the inventions in Wikipedia, as the corossaint is just a type of bread, and the fighter jets are just a type of airplane with improvements. Bar Harel (talk) 13:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I came over from Third Opinion. I'm not sure this case qualifies as there seem to be a couple of editors on here. However, I could perhaps help to adjudicate this dispute. I think the first thing to work through might be the inclusion criteria. Looking back over the cases since September of 2024, I think a lot of the changes could be clarified by simply defining what warrants inclusion on this page. Squatch347 (talk) 15:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Previously I looked to the US invention page since it was the most thoroughly verified then to the project page for "Invention and discovery" pages but that seems to have been inactive for a long time.
Most entries removed consisted of "inventions" that were credited in various business websites largely consisting of "upcoming" companies developing projects they claimed to be inventions but with no evidence thereof, then lists of games or other media which is much more suited to lists of their own and then a lot of "discoveries" that were more like records like the "oldest tree brought back to life" is impressive no doubt but not an invention or discovery.
In terms of Inventions it has to be "the first of it's kind" to innovate like a Car for example but a different model of car isn't a new invention but if the engine used a new mechanism that had been invented like a hydrogen engine for example that'd be a "new invention". It's tough judging it tbh and there isn't a clear way to Yay/Nay it but I think the chat for ZK-STARKS's is a good example of an approach. Galdrack (talk) 20:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a bit too editor driven for reliable criteria. I would suggest that we rely on the language in the parent article, where (presumably) the editors are more familiar with the context and then also with the sources. If a WP:RS categorizes it as a 'discovery' or 'invention' we should rely on that I think.
Completely agree that we shouldn't be relying primarily on Company or primary sources for these claims. Those can (with care) be used for technical details, but definitely not for categorization, so I'd agree with you we would need to remove any topics solely covered in that manner.
What policy did you get the "first of it's kind" language from? I'd like to understand the context of that a bit more. That feels pretty hard to implement given its subjective nature. I think this one too, should probably be dependent on the source material rather than our assessment.
Ok, I finally completed a deeper dive on the changes since 24 Sept 24. I broke them down into three categories. Clearly should be included, debatable, and clearly should be removed.
Clearly should be included
The Benjamini-Hochberg procedure should be re-added since it was that particularly technique that is notable, not the topic as it reads now.
Discovery and Isolation of the Tetrahydrocannabinol. The parent article and its sources all note this as a discovery, and often call it a breakthrough discovery and refer to Mechoulam as the father of the field.
Discovery and classification of hadrons through the SU(3)flavour symmetry. This seems pretty obvious to me (but then my background is physics, so maybe I'm biased), this was a huge discovery and very relevant in our discovery of quarks.
Rewalk *Described in the source article as an invention and novel.
Clawee, while the source does use the word invent, but does it with a much looser parlance. However, the parent wiki page clearly describes it as an invention.
EPROM is described both on the parent page and in the sources as a novel invention and new type of memory.
OrCam device, source materials, including NYT article describe it as an invention.
Network Vault, source for inventor describes this as a notable invention.
Stateful firewall, probably should be renamed stateful inspection, the specific technique he invented per the source pages.
ICQ, needs to be rewritten. What Mirables did in ICQ was apply their invention of UINs over IRC.
UZI, new firearm invented by an Israeli, both sources and site reference it as such.
IWI Tavor, sources describe it as a novel creation with unique features and integrations, but don't use the exact word invent.
IMI Galil, same as Tavor, this is described as a unique family of weapons.
Barrel bomb, sourcing is somewhat questionable, but it is described as having been invented in Israel.
Sponge bomb, described in sources as a novel invention at several points.
CornerShot, described as a unique invention in sources.
Tomaccio, Ora (clementine)|Ora, Pomelit all are patented items described as inventions.
Hidato *Game is described as being invented.
Taki (card game) *Same as above. In this case the Wiki page references the game being developed, but the underlying source references invention.
Mastermind (board game), also is described as invented.
Ptitim, references the invention in Israel on behalf of the Israeli government.
Jerusalem mixed grill, the origins are a bit obscure, but all put the dish as invented in Israel.
Sabich, references invention by Iraqi Jews in Israel in the 1960s.
Bamba (snack), references specific invention in Israel.
Bissli, same as bamba
Ziva (dish), similar to above, references invention in Israel
Shoogi (snack), references Israeli invention
Kristal page doesn't use the word invention, but one of the sources does.
Gaga, references have been invented in Israel by an Israeli dance studio
Kpap, clearly invented by Israelis. Pre-Israeli state, but just barely.
Feldenkrais, alternative evidence that is stated to have been invented by an Israeli
Krav Maga, clearly an Israeli invention.
Paranormal Activity, written, directed, editted by Israeli director
Debatable
Demonstration of the existence of 'quasiparticle'. This one is definitely more boarderline. Quasiparticle is more of a concept than an actual thing. It is more often used as a tool to understand things than an ontologically real object. Now Stern claims to have demonstrated its existence, but my understanding (and more importantly, the source) is that that is a provisional discovery and has not yet been confirmed.
Sambucol *an over-the-counter elderberry-based anti-influenza syrup. I'm a bit torn on this one, at a minimum it would need a rewrite. The discovery of the anti-viral compounds in elderberry varietals is probably warranted, but none of the sources describe the commercialized product as a discovery or invention. Probably something more like "The anti-viral properties of elderberry extract were discovered by Dr. Madeleine Mumcuoglu at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem who later commercialized this work into the over the counter product, Sambucol.
Feige–Fiat–Shamir identification scheme, this is clearly an invention. It is a new method for one way cryptography. But, none of the sources are beyond the published paper type so we don't really get a clear definition of it as such. I would include this one and then remove Differential cryptanalysis and Shamir's Secret Sharing, which are applications of this scheme.
Face.com, they clearly invented a new technique for facial recognition, but none of the sources describe that technique or its development. Probably should leave it off unless a better source is found. Has to be rewritten regardless to cover the technique, not the company.
ICQ, needs to be rewritten. What Mirables did in ICQ was apply their invention of UINs over IRC.
Ukraine Siren Alerts, honestly, this does feel like an invention since there wasn't an air system of this sort before and the sources describe it as novel. However, it isn't referenced as an invention in the sources.
Shkedei marak, I could go either way the food is listed as Israeli, but it is also referenced as Yiddish, which is European Jewish.
Nesher Beer, Israeli produced and developed beer. Invention might be borderline.
Goldstar, same as Nesher
Tropit, same as the beers
Clearly should be removed
The additional text in the intro. It doesn't add to the description of the page and reads a lot like puffery.
Ofeq, neither the parent article, the article on the family of vehicles, nor the source articles reference anything akin to this being a new invention or discovery.
AMOS see Ofeq. There might be something here buried in how they use their specific technologies and creation of new technologies, but I didn't see a clear reference to an invention or discovery in the source material.
TecSAR-1 and Eros, same as Ofeq. No reference to a specific invention or discovery in sources.
Spacecom, this is just the company that created the above referenced satellites.
SpaceIL, similar to Spacecom, this is an organization, not a discovery/invention.
Captcha, this is clearly an invention, but its ties to Israelis aren't source in either the parent article or attached source material that I can find. The referenced person (Gili Raanan), is a VC exec, not a software developer or theoretician.
Web application firewall, ditto here. This seems to be an unfounded connection to Gili Raanan.
Smartphone dual lens technology, hard to call it a discovery or invention when it appears to have been a copyright violation.
Many Intel processors, not listed as inventions or discoveries in source. All of the sub items are described as designed, not invented.
Powermat Technologies, I ran this one down for a while, the sources do describe the founder as an inventor, but none of the specific licensed technologies from this company are described as inventions rather than applications of an existing tech.
Umoove, neither the parent article or the sources reference their technology as an invention.
Moovit, same as Umoove
Me (app), this is the company, and the app it developed isn't described as containing an invention.
Tactical Robotics Cormorant, described as developed, not invented and doesn't imply that this was particularly novel or unique.
BT/AT 52 not described as unique, novel, or an invention.
Drone Dome, described as developed.
Iron Beam, novel application, but is described as a new version of earlier attempts. Sources don't describe the coin sized beams as a particular invention.
David's Sling, application of existing technology, not a new invention.
IWI Negev, described as a nearly straight copy of other systems.
Dror light machine gun, was also an Israeli produced version of an existing weapon.
B-300, apparently where the SMAW came from, so I learned something. But this isn't described as unique or an invention.
Skunk (weapon), the only sources describing it as an invention are not relevant (protestor interview for example), the rest seem to indicate this is an improvement on other systems.
EXTRA artillery rocket system, not described as an invention. This is an Israeli version of existing platforms.
Quahl, doesn't appear to be described as an invention.
Israeli whist, not described anywhere as an invention, solely as a variant.
Pop-it, the wiki pages lists USA/Canada as origin, the "inventor" doesn't reference pop-it or any variant thereof.
Yaniv (card game), clearly an Israeli game, but I can't find any source that it was invented there.
The reference point should be 10 September, 2023. The removals by @Galdrack happened consistently over a period of a year. It is why I claimed for POV-pushing, as it was since the de-facto creation of his account (account was created earlier with roughly no contributions until that time). I'll take a look at your list an compare it with the point of reference. Bar Harel (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm putting here for reference all of the removals since the reference point at September 2023, not covered by the list made by @Squatch347:
World's smallest video camera – a camera with a 0.99 mm (0.039 in) diameter, designed to fit in a tiny endoscope designed by Medigus (not sure if still applicable, quick search say yes [7][8])
The flexible stent, also known as NIR Stent or EluNIR. Developed by Israeli company Medinol, which is headquartered in Tel Aviv.[9][10]
Babylon, a single-click computer translation, dictionary and information source utility program, developed by Amnon Ovadia.[32]
Gett, an application that connects between customers and taxi drivers using its proprietary GPS system, enabling users to order a cab either with their smartphone or through the company's website. It was founded by Israeli entrepreneur Shahar Waiser.[33]
Mobileye, vision-based advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS) providing warnings for collision prevention and mitigation.[34] Many companies developing autonomous vehicles, such as BMW, rely on Mobileye's technology.
Viber, a proprietary cross-platform instant messaging voice-over-Internet Protocol application for smartphones.[35] Developed by American-Israeli entrepreneur Talmon Marco, Viber reached 200 million users in May 2013.
<!-*Commented out: Waze, the most popular GPS application for mobile devices worldwide -->
Waze, a GPS-based geographical navigation application program for smartphones with GPS support and display screens, which provides turn-by-turn information and user-submitted travel times and route details, downloading location-dependent information over the mobile telephone network.[36] Waze Ltd., which was founded in 2008 in Israel by Uri Levine, software engineer Ehud Shabtai and Amir Shinar, and is now available in over 100 countries, was acquired by Google for a reported $1.1 billion.[citation needed]
Development of robotic guidance system for spine surgery by Mazor Robotics.
Trophy is an industry-leading, vehicle-mounted, active-self-protection, system designed to protect against ATGMs and RPGs. Trophy was developed by Rafael and Elta Systems. Several contracts including a $193 and $79 million[37] contract for Trophy systems were awarded to Leonardo DRS, Rafael's American partner, in order to equip a significant number of AbramsM1A1/A2MBTs with Trophy. In January 2021, Rafael and Leonardo DRS completed urgent deliveries of enough Trophy systems to the US Army to equip all tanks of four armored brigades, some 400 systems.[38][39][40][41][42] Israel also supplies the German Army with Trophy systems for use on their Leopard 2 Main Battle Tanks.[43][44]
MagnoShocker – combines a metal detector and a taser to immediately neutralize a dangerous person, developed by the mathematician Amit Weissman and his colleagues Adir Kahn and Zvi Jordan.[48]
Wall radar – a unique radar utilizing Ultra Wide Band (UWB) to allow users to see through walls. Developed by the Israeli company Camro.[49]
Injured Personnel Carrier on YouTube A unique evacuation method developed by Israeli company Agilite Gear, comprises a strap allowing you to carry the wounded person on your back.
Watergen *an Israeli company that develops products that generate high quality drinking water from air, without needing a source of water such as a well, river, stream, ocean etc.[50][51][52][53][54] Watergen products are being used worldwide,[55] including in Hamas controlled Gaza Strip,[56] Colombia,[57] and Native American communities.[58] Israel recently signed a deal with the UAE to license Watergen technology.[59] Watergen won the CES's Best Innovation Technology Award for its technology.[60][61][62][63]
Drip irrigation systems – The huge worldwide industry of modern drip irrigation all began when Israeli engineer Simcha Blass noticed a tree growing bigger than its neighbors in the Israeli desert, and found that it was fed by a leaking water pipe. Netafim, the company founded in 1965 to commercialize his idea, is recognized as the worldwide pioneer in smart drip*and micro-irrigation. It has revolutionized the agricultural industry.[64]
Hybrid cucumber seeds – In the 1950s, Prof. Esra Galun of the Weizmann Institute developed hybrid seed production of cucumbers and melons, disease-resistant cucumbers and cucumbers suitable for mechanical harvesting. Galun and his colleagues invented a technique for producing hybrid cucumber seeds without hand pollination.[65]
Grain cocoons – invented by international food technology consultant Professor Shlomo Navarro, the GrainPro Cocoons provide a simple and cheap way for African and Asian farmers to keep their grain market-fresh, as huge bags keep both water and air out, making sure the harvest is clean and protected even in extreme heat and humidity.[66]
Biological pest control – invented in Kibbutz Sde Eliyahu by a company called Bio-Bee, it breeds beneficial insects and mites for biological pest control and bumblebees for natural pollination in greenhouses and open fields. The company's top seller worldwide and especially in the U.S. is a two-millimeter-long, pear-shaped orange spider that is a highly efficient enemy of the spider mite, a devastating agricultural pest.[66]
AKOL – a Kibbutz-based company which gives low-income farmers the ability to get top-level information from professional sources.[66]
Mirtra – a Tal-Ya Water Technologies agricultural technology invention. A unique, patented polypropelyne Mitra system that covers the plant's root system, directing water and fertilizer directly to the root, while protecting the earth around the root from weeds and extreme temperatures, reducing the need to water crops by up to 50 percent. It also reduces fertilizer needs by 50% and functions as an alternative to herbicide (weed-killer).[66][67]
"Zero-liquid-discharge" system – an invention of the Israeli GFA company which allows fish to be raised virtually anywhere by eliminating the environmental problems in conventional fish farming, without being dependent on electricity or proximity to a body of water.[66]
TraitUP – a new technology that enables the introduction of genetic materials into seeds without modifying their DNA, immediately and efficiently improving plants before they're even sowed. It was developed by Hebrew University agricultural scientists Ilan Sela and Haim D. Rabinowitch.[66]
Judean date palm – oldest seed ever to be revived, restoring an extinct cultivar.
Epilator (originally "Epilady") – an feminine beauty product. It was developed and originally manufactured at Kibbutz HaGoshrim.[68][69]
Micronized coating instant hot water pipes developed by A.C.T.[70]
Karat Caviar is a Russian Osetra caviar brand farmed in the Golan and has won several international awards. The Russian Osetra fingerlings were imported from the Caspian Sea.[71][72]
Now I'll go over the removals suggested by @Squatch347:
Intro text *I tend to agree with you, it's a bit of puffery even though it does add context.
Ofeq, Amos, Eros, TecSAR-1 satellites *I agree, should be removed. I haven't found similar references to satellites in other countries' lists either.
Spacecom *probably? Companies exist in other lists; in the US for example it's mostly written as discoveries / innovation by specific universities. Israel is considerably smaller than the US, so maybe it makes more sense for companies in general to show up on the list. This particular company I'm not sure of.
SpaceIL *agree.
Captcha *this is a big one. The reason you can't find references for it in the main article, is because they were removed (see "invention" section). I have a tendency to browse Wikipedia pre-war *just check for changes in articles since before Oct. 2023, you'll find many such removals. The removed sources are actually patents [11]. Gil Raanan has about two dozen patents [12] under his name, so your statement on this one is incorrect.
Web application firewall *the reference was also removed by the same user. Apparently he "forgot" to remove it from the original article Sanctum Inc. where it is listed.
Smartphone dual lens technology *it's on copyright violation the other way around *the Israeli company is suing Apple for infringing the patents. Unsettled yet, can't really tell.
Powermat *unsure, I tend to agree with you.
Umoove *it is patented. I think patents are inventions, but on the other hand we're not going to add every single patent to the list. I think the exclusion is fine.
Moovit *I half-disagree with you. Maybe we can create another list of Israeli startups or companies where it would be more suited, and link there. On one hand it's not a patentable invention, on the other hand it's a huge global startup. These types of companies are found in other lists under "discoveries and innovation".
Me (app) *can't find it.
Wix, Fiverr and SimilarWeb are huge startups. Same as moovit *either keep or move to a list of "innovation".
Tactical Robotics Cormorant *it was originally called the Air Mule. Searching under the original name gives more data [13]. I think this one should stay.
BT/AT 52 *I agree.
Drone Dome *unsure. Writing "developed" is not the key factor denoting whether something is an invention or not. You may write that the first fighter jet was "developed" by a company. Replace the word with "invented" and suddenly it'll be an invention. I do agree however that certain systems like that are being developed in other places too, and I can't find other sources listing it as an invention, so I think removal is fine.
Iron Beam *big but probably not an invention or discovery. Like the drone dome.
David's Sling *agree.
Neveg, Dror *agree.
B-300 *such a development is marked (perhaps mistakenly) as an invention in other lists. For example, the Palestinian Batar, Yasin (RPG), Al-Yassin 105, Al-Bana, Al Quds 3 ] are all anti-tank missiles categorized as inventions even though they appeared afterwards and were considerably less notable worldwide. If we remove, I'd remove the other 5. Once again it looks like a clear case of POV pushing.
Skunk *that one is a (stinky) invention. First of its kind as I can tell, and was referenced in research articles e.g. [14].
EXTRA artillery rocket system *agree.
Quahl *agree.
Pop it *disagree. Clearly state as an Israeli invention in the article, and the inventor's wiki pages.
Yaniv *Might actually be from Nepal. I find conflicting sources.
Video Games *need to search more in other lists. I've seen some inside innovation lists coming out of universities, but may probably be removed.
Matzah Pizza / Orange soup *agree for removal.
Shalva *somewhat disagree, he-wiki article has references for the invention in Israel. The only reason for removal would be notability, but local snacks are frequently seen in other lists such as German or French inventions.
Limonana *disagree, hewiki has references. That one is actually funny *the name was apparently created in a fictional campaign by an Israeli, meant to show that advertising works [15]. Only after the campaign succeeded, the fictional drink was created. Cute.
Thank you, it was. Thank goodness for google translate. Here is what I would propose for the next step. For stuff we agree on, I'll make the changes this weekend. I'll also go back and look to the date you suggested. I'll then publish an updated list for just outstanding items.
For disagreements, (minus a few where I just missed something) lets first talk about approach. I was trying to be conservative (perhaps a bit too conservative) on what counted. There are some items where it says "developed" but it is clearly something novel and something that I would consider an invention. The Ukraine Siren Alert is a good example in my opinion. It doesn't call it an invention, but it reads exactly like an invention, something totally new from a systematic sense/warn perspective. I would agree with you that a patent should count automatically since that is, kinda by definition, what a patent means.
But aside from patents, what is the inclusion criteria here? I don't want it to get too fuzzy with the word developed because then you get some kinda odd additions like the Qods-3 which isn't a new missile in any sense or meaning aside from they welded some additional fuel capacity and painted it.
Hard to set a criteria. Patents like you said are clear. As for "developed" - perhaps systems or methods that made a "big" difference? Known globally? Precursors to other inventions? The latter is more objective, previous more subjective.
Take for instance the plastic emitter / drip irrigation system. It was an invention with such a large impact that Israel now holds 30% of the entire global market. It made a huge difference in the water usage and costs. Is it a "new" invention? Earlier systems of some kind existed, but non operated this way and were as efficient.
A large and substantial improvement in my point of view is an invention. Some of them are technically not patentable by law, which can be discussed about, but in the majority of the cases I think those can take a criteria of invention.
Two more ways of looking at it:
1. Methods of transportations existed for years. A car is like a horse-carriage or a small train. Is the car an invention? How about candles vs light bulb? Both make light, the first existed for thousands of years before the light bulb. So the light bulb is just an improvement over a candle - it doesn't need wax, it can be used for longer and it is cheaper over continuous usage. If we follow the same methods of "drip irrigation existed since ancient China", then precursors of light bulbs existed since ancient China, Papyrus existed too so paper is not new, and gunpower on a burning arrow existed so missiles that operate on the same principles are not inventions. We are left with practically no inventions anywhere.
2. Comparing with lists of other countries, we can see that Israeli inventions are passed through considerably higher scrutiny, which is a clear violation of PoV. No other country passed through it, like we're doing here. Take for instance the German list. Under the cuisine section: Fanta, Rye Beer, Sprite, Donauwelle. Is it the first time we have a carbonated sweet drinks? One is orange tasting the other is lime, these are two inventions? Donauwelle is a cake - is it the first cake ever made? What about other products? Jeans are a type of pants, concrete pump is a pump. The world's first "sex" shop. Even Youtube. All of these are not criticized at all, meaning there is a clear difference when it comes to Israel - where inventions that existed for 10 years on this very page, are suddenly removed because of an unrelated war. Bar Harel (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think those are fair points. We just need to be careful on how broad we are. Drip Irrigation is a good example. The (broad) technique has been around for several thousand years. But the Israeli invented nozzle revolutionized its application. The nozzle was clearly an invention and the impact was dramatically broadening the use of drip irrigation.
I'm sympathetic to the difference in standards being applied across Wiki, I've run into that myself on more than one occasion. As we talked about before, there are some clearly some ridiculous additions over on those page that I don't think would stand up to scrutiny, but every time I think an edit is clearly inside the rules I get overruled because it doesn't fit a narrative of some sort. /rant. Still, there is some validity in precedent, so I think you have a point there.
Ok, I added back the items we agreed upon and a few items from your list that clearly made sense as well. Here are the items I think are still remaining:
Quasiparticle *I think we need to remove until this is clearly demonstrated, a single study this fundamental needs some replication.
The anti-viral properties of elderberry extract were discovered by Dr. Madeleine Mumcuoglu at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem who later commercialized this work into the over the counter product, Sambucol. *If this language is ok, I think we can add back
Feige–Fiat–Shamir identification scheme *I think we should readd
Face.com, they clearly invented a new technique for facial recognition, but none of the sources describe that technique or its development. Probably should leave it off unless a better source is found. Has to be rewritten regardless to cover the technique, not the company.
Ukraine Siren Alerts, honestly, this does feel like an invention since there wasn't an air system of this sort before and the sources describe it as novel. I support readd
Shkedei marak, I could go either way the food is listed as Israeli, but it is also referenced as Yiddish, which is European Jewish.
Nesher, Goldstar, Tropit Beers, Israeli produced and developed beer. Ok, I've come around based on discussion above. Adding
Spacecom, I think you are correct there needs to be a page on Israeli startups or companies and that these should go there.
Captcha and Web Application Firewall *I'll be honest I was pretty skeptical as the he seemed a lot more like a VC guy than an inventor, but yeah the patents are there. I'm ok with adding both of these back if we also have a patent for the firewall
Smartphone dual lens technology *Let's leave it off until the patent lawsuit is resolved.
Tactical Robotics Cormorant *Ok, looking over sources for the air mule this does seem to be categorized as an invention.
B-300 *I tend to agree that those others should be removed. I have some professional familiarity with those other systems and they are, in no way, inventions.
Skunk *it does seem to be the first stink bomb using skunk type chemicals, but the origin of riot control through smell does seem to go back much further [16]
Limonana *fair enough, I'll agree.
Prisoners of War referencing homeland *yeah I agree that should be on there. user:Bharel, do you have a source for this show?
World's smallest video camera – The sources read like this is more of an incremental update than a novel invention as far as I can tell.
NIR Stent or EluNIR *Agreed.
Azilect *Agreed
USB flash drive – Agreed
Many Intel processors...I'm not quite sold on this one. These seem like incremental improvements rather than inventions. Maybe if one of them was a new technological approach or something.
FaceID *Agreed
Windows XP and Windows NT. This feels like a bit of a stretch, these are development offices that are creating software, I'm not sure we could classify that as them inventing it.
Babylon, I'm not quite sure I understand what they invented. Their patent seems more for their specific dictionaries than recognition and translation?
Gett, probably should go on the Israeli startups page.
Mobileye, maybe if we limit it to the car recognition technology that gave rise to the company
Viber, Israeli startup page.
Waze, Israeli startup page.
Development of robotic guidance system for spine surgery by Mazor Robotics. Agreed
Trophy, is definitely a massive upgrade, but I think this kind of system existed before on things like the original Stryker prototypes. I'm not sure I see a specific invented technology on this article.
Python, similar to some things earlier, this seems to be a model or incremental upgrade.
Protector USV, agreed.
Arrow 3, Israeli entry into this category, I don't think it is a new invention.
Eviation Alice, not quite clear what the invention is here.
IAI Kfir, similar to Arrow 3.
MUSIC (Multi Spectral Infrared Countermeasure), source seems to indicate this is a new version of Flight Guard?
MagnoShocker – I can't seem to find a source for this that clearly isn't directly copying from earlier versions of this article.
Wall radar – Agreed
Injured Personnel Carrier source seems to have been deleted.
Watergen *Israeli startup page
Drip irrigation systems – I don't think we can be this broad. Maybe just the plastic emitter in drip irrigation.
Hybrid cucumber seeds *Agreed.
Grain cocoons – I'm a little bit ambivalent on this one. It looks a lot more like a product development effort than an invention and is described as such in the source.
Biological pest control – Definitely needs a rewrite a minimum. Biological pest control has been around for a while per source, but there were some individual creatures we might say were invented to support it.
AKOL –Israeli Startup page
Mirtra – Agreed
"Zero-liquid-discharge" Agreed
TraitUP – Agreed
Judean date palm – Is the invention the revival technology? The date palm seems more of a rediscovery.
SodaStream *The technology and company seem to pre-date Israel and originated England.
Epilator (originally "Epilady") – agreed per main page.
Micronized coating instant hot water pipes developed by A.C.T. *Source doesn't seem to come through
Karat Caviar, similar to the beer discussion, these seem like versions.
My problem with the method is over criticality of Israeli inventions vs other countries' - which never had to pass through this "deep inspection", but we'll continue. Going over everything you don't have crossed:
Quasiparticle - perhaps agree, I don't know enough. Can't find the original article and citations.
elderberry extract - agree with your sentence.
Face.com - agree
Shkedei marak - I'd probably leave it on. The first and (what was) exclusive commercial producer of it was Israeli companyOsem, per the article. The name is in Hebrew too, not Yiddish.
Nesher, Goldstar, Tropit Beers - I may agree. In the German list locally produced beers are counted as inventions. I'd give it the same fate as Fanta, Sprite and others, so if we remove we should remove these types from all other countries including German, US, British and other inventions. Can't have it both ways.
Spacecom - I'll create a List of Israeli startups. I wonder when exactly do we go from category to a list page. Do we have a clear policy?
Captcha should be restored regardless of WAF. WAF, I don't know if it was patented or simply "released". I can look further on the patents, but either way, if it was the first it should probably be restored to the list.
Smartphone dual lens technology - I guess it's a good resolution.
B-300 let's remove then together with others.
Skunk - if there was no previous system, it is an invention. Building a system is the basis of engineering. If it was so easy no engineers would exist - only scientists that "discover".
Prisoners of War - we seem to agree on readding.
World's smallest video camera - I agree with you.
Many Intel processors - I'm also not sure. I mean, Intel does patent its architectures or advancements, but then again they are sort of incremental. Maybe a single line instead of a whole section listing every processor?
Windows - I agree with you.
Babylon - they invented a sort of a plugin for a dictionary to be able to translate on the fly. I had it when I was younger - surprised it still exists. It is probably the precursor to many such technologies. We can find more references if needed.
Gett - Israeli startups page, yeah.
Mobileye - the technology, I agree.
Viber - agree on startup page.
Waze - this one is a big one, stay for sure. Youtube exists on the German page. What is the difference between Waze and Youtube?
Trophy system - Should clearly stay. Is mentioned in many Israeli inventions lists [17][18][19]. Listed by Forbes as one of the most important weapons of the decade. [20]
Python - agree.
Arrow - Disagree. Arrow in general should stay for sure. First operational interception in history of a missile outside of earth's atmosphere. [21]
Eviation Alice - World's first all-electric commuting aircraft. [22]
IAI Kfir - agree about removal.
Watergen - Listed on 100 best inventions of 2019 on Time's Magazine [23]. Maybe can be moved to a startup list. The issue is that we're not going to add 100 inventions every year on Wikipedia's lists sorted by country.
Drip irrigation - change to plastic emitter.
Grain cocoons - I think can be removed purely for notability.
Biological pest control - agree.
AKOL - agree on startup page. No clue what that is.
Judean date palm - that's actually really cool, but I don't think is an invention.
SodaStream - removal, agree.
Micronized coating instant hot water pipes developed by A.C.T. - notability, removal.
Karat Caviar - notability, same fate as beer / fanta like you said.
Aviva method - created by Aviva Steiner in Israel. Probably can be removed for notability though.
