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Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 10:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]The 1690 image picturing an "hermaphrodite" man is ridiculous. Clearly this is a homosexual male. You´re making a fool of yourselves. 86.17.83.128 (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Do you understand the concept of a hermaphrodite? Seven77seas (talk) 03:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- ridicoulus 🤣🤣🤣 a fool of yourselves 🤣🤣🤣 Seven77seas (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Article review
[edit]It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and noticed the following:
- There are some uncited statements, including entire paragraphs,
- The article, at over 15,000 words, is too detailed and WP:TOOBIG. Should some of this information be spun out, summarised more effectively, or removed?
Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand the obsession among many editors with splitting articles that are entirely about one comprehensive subject. Is this article going to be split as: Lesbian Part I and Lesbian Part 2? When the Gay article was split it made sense because the term can mean two things: one use describes homosexual men, and the other use is the primary meaning which became intertwined with sexuality.
As for reassessing its Good article standing: sure. Why not? Knock yourselves out. Pyxis Solitary (yak). ⚢ 10:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)- @Pyxis Solitary: I invite editors to read WP:SIZE, which outlines why the length is considered for Wikipedia articles. Basically, readers struggle with finding information they are looking for when the article is too long, especially on mobile. Some places the article could be split are the headings titles: "Etymology of lesbian", "History of lesbianism" (which is already spun out]]), "Demographics of lesbianism", "Lesbian health"/"Health and lesbianism", and "Media portrayal of lesbians]" (already spun out). Summaries of those sections (typically 2-4 paragraphs) can be written remain in the article when the information is spun out. Z1720 (talk) 12:24, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that the article should be trimmed pretty extensively. There's a lot of places that go into unnecessary detail, like providing unnecessary short biographies of important lesbian figures that could be replaced by a brief mention and link to their page, or people spelling out a current dispute in too great detail.
- Re: citations: I'm not sure where you're seeing uncited ones, could you clarify or point it out? I see a lot of places where there's, e.g., four sentences followed by one citation, and I've assumed those are instances where one citation is supposed to cover/provide all the information in those four sentences. Seven77seas (talk) 18:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Seven77seas: I have added citation needed templates to statements missing citations. Z1720 (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Great, thanks. I removed some sentences that were vague claims and/or seemed to serve as summaries, topic, or transition sentences, including one I had added as a transitional sentence. I added citations to a couple concrete claims about history that it was easy to find a source for. There are still many needing attention. Seven77seas (talk) 17:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Seven77seas: I have added citation needed templates to statements missing citations. Z1720 (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
Proposed introductory section change
[edit]Right now, the introductory section contains two lengthy paragraphs of the development of cultural ideas about lesbian identity in Western society from 1900-present (sexology, wwii, etc). While this may suit perfectly if the article were "History of lesbianism in the West", this article is supposed to be a cover of all aspects of lesbians, everywhere, all times, all issues.
I propose removing these long paragraphs, since they shift the focus of the article a great deal; all the information in them is still included below.
Potentially a short paragraph summarizing the whole article more thoroughly (health; culture; family; history) could be substituted to summarize the full contents of the article better. e.g. "Lesbians have contributed greatly to literature, social change, and politics. While lesbian social movements have greatly increased acceptance in some countries, the cultural and legal landscape worldwide remains uneven."
Thoughts? Talk? Seven77seas (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
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