Talk:Kitschies

Back links

The award needs back links ie. all the author and book's listed should also include a link back to this article, at best in a "Awards and honors" sub-section such as seen at Lavie Tidhar. Indicate if finalist or winner, include a secondary source. It's a lot of work but the real work and benefit in these award articles is the back links. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Broken formatting

@Wakelamp: Thanks for updating the page, but please urgently fix the many formatting errors you introduced. I started doing so but gave up. Sandstein 07:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wakelamp: Thanks for your improvements! Though I find some of the formatting choices overly complicated. We should be as concise as possible. E.g, instead of "Winner - No award", I'd just write "No award", instead of "Citation" with nothing following I'd just write nothing. Sandstein 07:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on the simpler formatting, I am planning to convert to tables. Although, I just looked at the Hugo novel tables and got a bit worried as they seem very complicated.

The winner - no award, is so I can convert it in Excel into a table.

I agree on the citations, but I am hoping to find them in "The Bookseller" but I have run out of free articles, until next month.

Just, so you know. i.have nothing to do do with this group. I had just never heard of the award, and wanted to see if there were any good reading ideas. This is a very obscure article for you to be watching, may I ask what piqued your interest? 49.183.151.240 (talk) 08:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tables can be a bit intimidating, but the rules are relatively simple. If you're looking at the Hugo pages I'd recommend looking at the Retro Hugo section, which might have five or six rows on it, rather than the main Winners and Nominees table which may have sixty rows and be overpowering.

Use your sandbox to try things out and don't forget to view previews early and often to make sure things are looking right.

In the table structure

|- means start a new line

| means new cell within this line

Confusingly you can go

|-

| 2002

| Bob

| Dobbs

or

|-

|2002||Bob||Dobbs

Getting it all on one line looks nice and simple in the example given above, but gets really cramped and hard to read once you include citations and longer cell values. I prefer the separate line per cell format.

You frequently want multiple references to the same citation, so named references help, and try and keep the names meaningful. There are a lot in this article named like <ref name=":1"> which might be useful if that was going to be in the refences table as citation 1, or was showing results from 2001. It's number 11, referring to 2010. I'm using names like K23, K24, and might go through the whole thing making reference names meaningful, though that seems a touch pointless for a shuttered award.

Hope that's of some use. Nickpheas (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]