Talk:Islam in the Arctic

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Did you know... that despite an extensive history of Islam in the Arctic, the first mosque (pictured) in the Canadian Arctic was only built in 2010?

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Islamic views on fasting in the polar regions was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 8 May 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Islam in the Arctic. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Removal of text

I have removed two pieces of text. The first referred to Tatarstan, which is not in the Arctic Circle so off-topic. The second is about Irkutsk, also not in the Arctic, with the completely false statement that it has the largest mosque in the Arctic. Mccapra (talk) 08:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The statement that it was the largest mosque (holding 3000 as I recall offhand?) was sourced to the paper that said such; and Tatarstan was defined as a different region a thousand years ago (check the article on Tatarstan) and since it's made clear that the explorers noted the Midnight Sun in the region, they were most definitely speaking of the Arctic. Irkutsk is Siberia, which is included in the Krainii Sever which is the Russian term for "Arctic" as they define the Far North by different latitudal measurements than the United States does, see Far North (Russia). Have restored the versions pending any further detail. YourUsernameWillBePublic (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed this text and rference. I see it as adding nothing

 A [[donair]] restaurant named Zillman's is walking distance from the mosque, and owned by local Muslims.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.zabihah.com/|title=Zillman's in Whitehorse, YT - Zabihah - Find halal restaurants near you with the original Halal restaurant guide|website=www.zabihah.com}}</ref>

The reference is to an advert Fiddle Faddle 18:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a big deal to me, but like the halal reindeer-meat farm, it just seems interesting to note the very few busineses operated by Muslims in the Arctic; private businesses are more interesting than just "works for a local grocer/oilCompany/transportRig". YourUsernameWillBePublic (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

YourUsernameWillBePublic, we just cannot use adverts as references. Fiddle Faddle 23:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moving article

Reading on I see the content is about Yellowknife, Anchorage and Iqaluit, none if which is in the Arctic circle. If I take all of this out there won’t really be an encyclopaedic topic to write about. I’ve therefore change the title of the article to include the subarctic, which, being generous, kind of includes most of the content in the article as it stands. Mccapra (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The intro says "and Krainii Sever" which is the term for the "Far North"; but I don't hugely object other than I'd ask to nix the strange "History of" in the title to make it shorter and more applicable. YourUsernameWillBePublic (talk) 13:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The new article Islamic views on fasting in the polar regions is thin on sources and could usefully be trimmed and turned into a section of this article. Mccapra (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your opinion. But that article is separated from Fasting in Islam because that article may contain more information about the "In polar regions" section of the article Fasting in Islam. So, I think that article should not merge to this article. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, it's from Fasting in Islam#In polar regions. If it stays separate, you need to provide attribution, see Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:30 Mon 26, AEDT) 20:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neutral on whether it's likely to develop into a larger stand-alone piece. Are you planning to expand it, Wiki N Islam? A summary section could be added here, at Islam in the Arctic. I do wonder whether it's beneficial to separate coverage of fasting from that of prayer, when both are affected by the same length-of-day issue. Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:41 Mon 26, AEDT) 20:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the current structure of Islam in the Arctic is mostly focused on history and sociology. Perhaps a paragraph under General Issues? Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:55 Mon 26, AEDT) 20:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. But while reading, I noticed that nothing is mentioned about Islamic practices or fasting in the Arctic in the section "General issues". Moreover I think the section should rename according to the contents mentioned in the section "General issues". What's your opinion about this? Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good proposal. I see how the subject of prayer can be linked to that article. Thanks for your opinion. Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve added a new subsection to this article that uses some of the sources in the other article though it ended up not really being a merger. Mccapra (talk) 11:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wintertime darkness

The "General Arctic issues" section discusses only the problem of daily prayers and Ramadan in the summertime, when the sun never sets, but surely the same problem occurs in the wintertime, when the sun never rises. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Daniel Case (talk) 06:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]