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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2025

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Related to the 2024 post-October 7th relations, the article states Israel and Iran both carried out missile attacks on each other. However, that is false- while Iran sent missiles towards Israel twice, Israel *never* attacked Iran directly with missiles. Suites209 (talk) 21:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Day Creature (talk) 00:26, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 13 June 2025

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Yesyesmrcool (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

State media cited Brigadier General Abolfazl Shekarchi, spokesman for the Iranian armed forces. State media cited Brigadier General Abolfazl Shekarchi, spokesman for the Iranian armed forces.

 Done Lova Falk (talk) 10:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another error

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The article states Iran was the second middle eastern state to recognize Israel, without adding to context that Iran's current regime overthrew the government that recognized Israel.

This article is loaded with biased undertones that lends itself to left wing revisionist propaganda 2600:6C5E:5D7F:F073:5856:5F98:58EF:DB4 (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an error. Iran was the second middle eastern state to recognize Israel in 1950. Iran severed diplomatic and commercial ties with Israel in 1979, which we also mention in the lead.
If you would like to request a change in this article, please create a formal extended-confirmed edit request. However, this is only for edit requests that don't need consensus first. Lova Falk (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"The good offices"?

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"On 5 August 2024 Ali Bagheri, Foreign Minister of Iran, notified his counterpart in Israel, Israel Katz, through the good offices of Hungary's Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó of its intent to avenge the assassination of Palestinian Authority negotiator Ismail Haniyeh."  ??? Brian0918 (talk) 15:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/good-offices didn't know that was a phrase either, learn something new everyday I guess — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 18:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 22 June 2025

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I hope I am finally on the right page?

Sorry, I don't mean to spam you, something happened to a page I was requesting edits for while I was writing my request. So I copied my request to the place I thought it belonged. Sorry I think the second page might have been the wrong page to copy to? but that's where the link in the purple box took me. Switchng between the page and it's discussion got me here. Hopefully this is the right page now? 2405:6E00:653:2B0C:D5EC:7E3B:429C:BB5C (talk) 09:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved comment into request. 2405:6E00:657:614C:6030:79C8:E664:C268 (talk) 01:51, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly  Not done for now, as these are extensive changes that would need consensus, and edit requests to extended-confirmed-restricted topics by editors who are not yet extended confirmed are expected to be uncontroversial without requiring further discussion. Perception312 (talk) 03:14, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That expectation is not very clear from the instructions. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request for "Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy"

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I am making several suggestions here, if you are willing to add some but not all that would still be very much appreciated.

Description of suggested change:

This page is missing essential context. It presents a lot of old quotes and anecdotes, that were not previously given much attention, without adequately explaining why it is suddenly being promoted in public discourse.

1. It needs to mention, at least briefly, that this is being talked about much more in the past month because it was the reason given for Israel's recent attack on Iran.

2. It needs to explain where Iran's current leadership came from.

3. Quotes need to attribute the source of the translation as well as the speaker, unless they are said by an Iranian official in English (e.g. Iran's ambassador to the UK) or from a document published by Iran's government in English. The claim attributed to the U.S. government via an Indian academic is not ideal, I was trying to find something more specific such as "President Trump" or "a U.S. defense forces spokesperson".

Start of Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy:

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== Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy == The Islamic Republic of Iran's foreign policy doctrine includes calling for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.[135][undue weight? – discuss] This position emerged from the 1979 Islamic Revolution, which transformed Iran–Israel relations from close partners during the Pahlavi monarchy to principal ideological adversaries.[136] Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, denounced Israel as an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and cut off diplomatic relations. Since then, this stance has been embedded in official rhetoric, military programs, state-sponsored education, and symbolic events such as Quds Day. The rejection of Israel's legitimacy has remained consistent across both hardline and moderate Iranian leaderships. Supreme Leaders Ruhollah Khomeini and Ali Khamenei have both repeatedly referred to Israel as a "cancerous tumor" and publicly called for its elimination. Even reformist leaders and moderate clerics have supported this stance. While the Iranian regime maintains that its opposition is directed at Zionism rather than at Jews or Judaism, official propaganda has frequently blurred this distinction, at times incorporating Holocaust denial and invoking antisemitic tropes. Iran’s anti-Israel policy is implemented through a centralized institutional framework led by the office of the Supreme Leader and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Operational activities are largely carried out via a network of allied non-state actors, including Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Palestinian territories, and other affiliated groups. These organizations receive sustained Iranian support in the form of funding, weapons, and training, and are collectively referred to by Iranian officials as the "Axis of Resistance". This proxy network enables Iran to exert influence across multiple fronts while posing an existential threat to Israel through asymmetric conflict. Additionally, statements by senior officials and the regime's hostility toward Israel have led many observers[which?] to view Iran's nuclear ambitions as part of a broader strategy to destroy Israel. === Leadership ===
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== Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy == The Islamic Republic of Iran's foreign policy doctrine includes calling for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.[135][undue weight? – discuss] This position emerged from the 1979 Islamic Revolution, which transformed Iran–Israel relations from close partners during the Pahlavi monarchy to principal ideological adversaries.[136] Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, denounced Israel as an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and cut off diplomatic relations. Since then, this stance has been embedded in official rhetoric, military programs, state-sponsored education, and symbolic events such as Quds Day.(citation needed) The rejection of Israel's legitimacy has remained consistent across both hardline and moderate Iranian leaderships. Supreme Leaders Ruhollah Khomeini and Ali Khamenei have both repeatedly referred to Israel as a "cancerous tumor" and publicly called for its elimination. Even reformist leaders and moderate clerics have supported this stance. While the Iranian regime maintains that its opposition is directed at Zionism rather than at Jews or Judaism, official propaganda has frequently blurred this distinction, at times incorporating Holocaust denial and invoking antisemitic tropes.(citation needed) Iran’s anti-Israel policy is implemented through a centralized institutional framework led by the office of the Supreme Leader and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Operational activities are largely carried out via a network of allied non-state actors, including Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Palestine, and other affiliated groups. These organizations receive sustained Iranian support in the form of funding, weapons, and training, and are collectively referred to by Iranian officials as the "Axis of Resistance". This proxy network enables Iran to exert influence across multiple fronts while posing an existential threat to Israel through asymmetric conflict. Additionally, statements by senior officials and the regime's hostility toward Israel have led many observers[which?] to view Iran's nuclear ambitions as part of a broader strategy to destroy Israel.(citation needed) In response to Israel's 2025 attack on Iran, Iranian diplomats have denied accusations that Iran presents an "existential threat" to Israel, stating that any action they take is a defensive response to Israeli attacks, and criticising the Israeli concept of "pre-emptive self-defence".[https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/16103/html/] === Background === On the night of 12 June 2025 the IDF initiated the [[Iran–Israel war]] with a series of airstrikes against Iran.[https://www.justsecurity.org/115010/israel-unlawful-attack-iran-charter/] Israeli leaders claimed their attacks were to eliminate an "existential threat" from Iran. Israeli leaders have often claimed a nuclear-armed Iran would threaten the existence of Israel.[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-22/is-iran-set-to-leave-the-nuclear-non-proliferation-treaty-/105438606] Brig Gen [[Effie Defrin]], the Israeli military's spokesperson, said their large-scale air campaign would "continue to act in pursuit of the operation's objective, to neutralize the existential threat from Iran, from its nuclear project to the regime's missile array".[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9yll5yjx5o] Some Israelis opposed the attack on Iran, one prominent activitist said, "I have complete distrust in this government … It's clear this government doesn't know how to end wars, and it's not going to war to build a better future, but to serve its narrow interests", she called for Israelis to protest near the homes of Knesset members, "The chance for the future is now – there's no reason to delay going out into the streets".[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-21/ty-article/.premium/we-wronged-the-hostages-by-not-speaking-out-sooner-about-the-horrors-in-gaza/00000197-92f4-d237-a1bf-b2fcdc6a0000] A separate alone Wikipedia article the aledged Iranian policy was created on June 4, eight days before Israel's surprise attack on Iran. The date of creation of the Wikipedia was reported by [[Jewish News Syndicate]] (JNS) on 20 June, in an article objecting to the Wikipedia page's proposed deletion.[JNS.org] JNS also reported that the new Wikipedia page has been viewed 42,000 times in the 16 days it has been on line.[JNS.org] Israel's use of the alleged "existential threat" posed by Iran as a justification for their attack on Iran has been widely criticised. Israel also used this technique, known as [[accusation in a mirror]], to justify the intensity of their attacks on Gaza. [[Nadeem F. Paracha]] said that this was not needed to justify a response to the [[October 7 attacks]] but Netanyahu needed to present Palestine as an existential threat to justify the intensity and duration of their assault on Gaza.[https://www.dawn.com/news/1851348] Middle East Eye said that this "narrative of existential threat" resembled arguments previously used to justify the [[United States invasion of Iraq]] in 2003.[https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/iraq-war-playbook-back-israel-attack-iran-no-one-fooled] (could add Michael Eisenstadt here too) In response to Israel's 2025 attack on Iran, Iranian diplomats have denied accusations that Iran presents an "existential threat" to Israel.[UN envoy clip][https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/16103/html/] The [[Seyed Ali Mousavi (diplomat) |Iranian ambassador to the UK]] said, "Let me be clear. Iran has not attacked Israel. Iran has not started any war. The so-called existential threat narrative is false. It has no legal basis. Also, the Israeli invocation of pre-emptive self-defence illegally and dangerously erodes the foundation of the prohibition of the use of force in international relations. It is used only to justify aggression and hide Israel's war crimes. Iran warns that any country assisting Israeli aggression will share legal responsibility for the consequences".[https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/16103/html/] === Leadership ===

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=== Leadership === Once strategic partners, Iran and Israel's relationship ended after the 1979 Iranian Revolution. According to Efraim Karsh, the Islamic Republic subsequently cut ties with Israel and positioned it as a central ideological adversary.[3] Since that time, Iran has declared the elimination of Israel as a central objective within the region.[4] Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Republic's founding Supreme Leader, branded Israel the "Small Satan", a counterpart to the United States as "Great Satan".[3] Iranian leaders across generations, from Khomeini and his successor Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to senior officials, military commanders, and state-aligned media, have consistently invoked rhetoric calling for Israel's elimination or forecasting its collapse.[3] ==== Supreme leaders ====
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=== Leadership === ==== Previous leadership ==== One of Iran's most historically pivotal previous leaders was Prime Minister [[Mohammad Mosaddegh]]. He led a secular, centre-left, nationalist government. He was overthrown in what is now acknowledged, including by the Unites States government in 2013, as a CIA backed coup initiated by the British who opposed Mosaddegh's plans to nationalise Iran's oil.[npr] One of the tactics used by [[Kermit Roosevelt]] was to seize control of the press and stirr up biggotry with stories "(claiming) Mossadegh was a Jew, a homosexual, a British agent, anything that they thought would outrage people".[https://www.npr.org/transcripts/690363402] There was an initial failed coup that included the [[Shah]] in collaboration with Roosevelt, the attempt was thwarted, Mosaddegh attributed it entirely to the Shar and the Shah left Iran.[npr] The second attempt was much more violent, the CIA paid people to riot in opposition to Mosaddegh and also paid people to commit violence in Mosadegh's name.[https://www.npr.org/transcripts/690363402] After the successful coup, Mosaddegh's government was replaced by the return of the [[Shah]], he was not accepted as legitimate and was overthrown the [[1979 Iranian Revolution]]. The revolution had wide support, one of the revolutionaries who died was a young American Christian missionary, [[Howard Baskerville]], who renounced the United States and fought for the people of Iran.[https://www.npr.org/transcripts/690363402] But after the revolution, an Islamist faction ended up taking power. Once strategic partners, Iran and Israel's relationship ended after the 1979 Iranian Revolution. According to Efraim Karsh, the Islamic Republic subsequently cut ties with Israel and positioned it as a central ideological adversary.[3] Since that time, Iran has declared the elimination of Israel as a central objective within the region.[4] Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Republic's founding Supreme Leader, branded Israel the "Small Satan", a counterpart to the United States as "Great Satan".[3] Iranian leaders across generations, from Khomeini and his successor Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to senior officials, military commanders, and state-aligned media, have consistently invoked rhetoric calling for Israel's elimination or forecasting its collapse.[3] ==== Supreme leaders ====

Section: Holocaust denial and Conspiracy theories

2405:6E00:657:D2CB:D4C5:8D9B:37E4:A42A (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I moved down the section "Section: Holocaust denial and Conspiracy theories" as a separate request. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 21:55, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2405:6E00:655:CC6A:AACD:E331:67F9:C91B (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New References

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I believe I have included the citations that are enough to justify adding this. There are possibly others resources available that could be used to expand this or further support the points, but it felt urgent to at least make a start.

  • Some URLs that I used only once are cited inline above.
  • NPR I relied very heavily on the NPR source, but it's recent and comprehensive from a very trussed source. It mentions the clergy but I didn't add anything on that because the page already covers them at length. I took a repeated "would" out of the quote from the NPR transcript, it's an exact transcript of a radio documentary and the speaker stumbled on the word.
  • Al Jazeera English video "Israel's nuclear arsenal: The open secret giving it regional leverage". 19 June 2025.
  • UN envoy clip "Iran's UN envoy debunks Israeli 'existential threat' claims". 16 June 2025. Let me be clear, Iran has not attacked Israel. Iran has not started any war. The so-called existential threat narrative is false it has no legal basis it is used only to justify aggression and hide Israeli war crimes. Iran exercised its inherent right to self-defense in line with the article 51 of charter our response was defensive targeted and proportionate.
  • Seyed Ali Mousavi (diplomat), Iran's ambassador to the UK. "Foreign Affairs Committee Oral evidence: The Iran-Israel conflict, HC 1081". committees.parliament.uk. 17 June 2025. Let me be clear. Iran has not attacked Israel. Iran has not started any war. The so-called existential threat narrative is false. It has no legal basis. Also, the Israeli invocation of pre-emptive self-defence illegally and dangerously erodes the foundation of the prohibition of the use of force in international relations. It is used only to justify aggression and hide Israel's war crimes. Iran warns that any country assisting Israeli aggression will share legal responsibility for the consequences.
  • "Mohammad-Ali Ramin is a close advisor to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and that Ramin stated that "the resolution" of the Holocaust issue would lead to the "destruction of Israel".[45]" should be attributed to Meir Litvak because putting the context and translation are both potentially open to interpretation.

2405:6E00:653:2B0C:D5EC:7E3B:429C:BB5C (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably mention the media at the top?

2405:6E00:653:2B0C:D5EC:7E3B:429C:BB5C (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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i respect the the level of effort that no doubt went into your request and its highly thoughtful and wouldve improved this article in the prior weeks, but this article is being merged with Iran-Israel relations, and so should be probably made over there. AssanEcho (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AssanEcho, thank you. I just saw your comment. After I saved the request I saw the purple notice on the page had appeared while I was writing it. I copied the edit request here then decided to wait and see what happened. The whole page seems to be here as a section now? 2405:6E00:657:614C:89FB:2C33:4C26:6D05 (talk) 02:34, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! You have put a lot of work into these suggestions, but it also is a lot of work for us editors to judge the changes you propose.
I will do this in bits and pieces, in close dialogue with you.
  1. Proposed change: "in the Palestinian territories -> in the Palestine." I assume this is a slight error and you mean "in the Palestinian territories -> in Palestine." Anyway, please motivate why this should be changed.
  2. Proposed addition: "In response to Israel's 2025 attack on Iran, Iranian diplomats have denied accusations that Iran presents an "existential threat" to Israel, stating that any action they take is a defensive response to Israeli attacks, and criticising the Israeli concept of "pre-emptive self-defence"." Good text! But it needs sources, and it is not enough to refer to your long list and say it is in there. You need to explicitly state which source(s) confirm(s) this text.
Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 08:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, at first I only saw "friendly", but I now see how confusing my references are, even I got lost.
1. Yes, that is what I meant. I don't see or hear it called "Palestinian territories" very often, but I don't feel very strongly about that change, skip that if you prefer.
2405:6E00:656:38F4:5442:4827:901D:6CC4 (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2. The full URL is this: https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/16103/html/ – in the list it is: Seyed Ali Mousavi (diplomat), Iran's ambassador to the UK… Foreign Affairs Committee Oral evidence: The Iran-Israel conflict, HC 1081". committees.parliament.uk. 17 June 2025. "Let me be clear. Iran has not attacked Israel. Iran has not started any war. The so-called existential threat narrative is false. It has no legal basis. Also, the Israeli invocation of pre-emptive self-defence illegally and dangerously erodes the foundation of the prohibition of the use of force in international relations. It is used only to justify aggression and hide Israel's war crimes. Iran warns that any country assisting Israeli aggression will share legal responsibility for the consequences." 2405:6E00:656:38F4:5442:4827:901D:6CC4 (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS: From Monday I will be afk and I won't have time to do this with you. So if you don't answer today, I'll close the edit request. Lova Falk (talk) 04:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lova Falk Hello, sorry I didn't see this until now. 2405:6E00:656:38F4:5442:4827:901D:6CC4 (talk) 12:06, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is fine, you can still answer the two questions that I asked you. It is not yet Monday. Lova Falk (talk) 12:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lova Falk, sorry, I can't find the two questions you mean? 2405:6E00:656:38F4:5442:4827:901D:6CC4 (talk) 19:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She means this: [1] Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I got confused by the indenting. 2405:6E00:656:38F4:5442:4827:901D:6CC4 (talk) 19:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Partly done I did not change Palestinian territories, because it seems consciously chosen when Israel's view is discussed. However, I have added the text that started with "In response to..." I cannot do more, because I'll be away from keyboard for a while. Any other editor is very welcome to continue! Lova Falk (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I see the problem with the first source now. When it was a page by itself that addition was in that top section that didn't have any references. That line summarized the text I added below. When I finished and saved my first request the "this page will be merged" notice was there. I copied to the new page but wasn't really sure what to do next, I decided to leave it a few days to see if it improved when combined with the new page. 2405:6E00:655:4A9C:445B:DCD0:79B3:1A8E (talk) 05:14, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found a possible reason to change Palestinian territores to Palestine? Those links both currently go to the page called "Palestine", but I don't know if that counts as a valid reason? And again, that change wasn't a high priority, I only changed that because it was right next to what I added. 2405:6E00:657:FCB9:5134:3D86:E292:23F7 (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to redraft this to fit the new page, but I deleted redraft because I think I was making it more confusing instead of clearer. 2405:6E00:657:614C:98B8:4CCE:738D:BFFF (talk) 14:03, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the complicated page rearrangement based on feedback above, and I have split requests for unrelated sections into a separate request. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request 5 July 2025

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Disputed issues section

Give the sub-sections less one-sided names and add the missing information:

This is from recent reports and a few existing pages on Wikipedia.

  • The "Iranian funding of Hamas and Hezbollah" sub-section currently showed only the the Israeli / Fatah perspective, doesn't point out that Abbas is likely biased against Hamas, and omits other relevant opponents of Hamas / Iran.
  • Part of the reason to add U.S. aid is for perspective on the numbers given for Iranian proxies. The numbers look huge to people familiar with household budgets, but they are relatively small compared to Israeli military budgets.
  • The "Nuclear program of Iran" section omits (or buries) the most important point about nuclear weapons / Israel / Iran situation.
  • I included just a couple of examples but several other sources also say Israel is the only one "in the Middle East with nuclear weapons" (or similar wording). I have not mentioned the U.S. controlled nuclear weapons in Turkey, because that's not quite "Middle East" and too complicated to cover on this page. Pakistan also has nuclear weapons, they almost never included in "Middle East" and not very relevant here, so I didn't include them in the text, but they are mentioned in the quotes for the formated references.
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== Disputed issues == Main article: [[Iran–Israel proxy conflict]] === Iranian funding of Hamas and Hezbollah === Further information: [[Axis of Resistance]] See also: [[Iran–Palestine relations]] and [[Iran–Lebanon relations]] Iran provides political and financial support and weapons to Hamas,[215] an organization committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad.[216] According to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority: "Hamas is funded by Iran. It claims it is financed by donations, but the donations are nothing like what it receives from Iran."[217][218] Iran has also provided support to Hezbollah, another enemy of Israel, with substantial amounts of funding, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take an action against Israel.[219][220][221][222] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"[223] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million from Iran.[221] === Nuclear program of Iran === Further information: [[Nuclear program of Iran]] === Iran threatening Israel ===
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== Disputed issues == Main article: [[Iran–Israel proxy conflict]] === Military aid proxy militants === Further information: [[Axis of Resistance]], and [[Israel and state-sponsored terrorism #Proxies against Iran]] See also: [[Iran–Palestine relations]] and [[Iran–Lebanon relations]] Iran provides political and financial support and weapons to Hamas,[215] an organization Israel and their supporters claim is "committed to the destruction of Israel by Jihad" based on the Israeli interpretation of the [[1988 Hamas charter]].[216] According to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the [[Ramallah]]-based Palestinian National Authority, and leader of the Fatah party, Hamas' main [[Politics of Palestine |political]] opponent [[Fatah-Hamas conflict |within Palestine]]: "Hamas is funded by Iran. It claims it is financed by donations, but the donations are nothing like what it receives from Iran."[217][218] According to [[Israel Hayom]] the [[Islamic State of Iraq and Syria]] (ISIS) has also accused Hamas of putting the goals of Iran ahead of the wellbeing of the Palestinian people.[https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/world-news/middle-east/article/15071129] ISIS, who are also a bitter rival of Iran [[Persecution of Shias by the Islamic State |and Shia Islam]], did not name Hamas explicitly in the quoted statement, but referred generally to alleged Iranian proxies. ISIS accused these militants of "Sacrificing the Palestinians for Iran".[https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/world-news/middle-east/article/15071129] Iran has also provided support to Hezbollah, another enemy of Israel, with substantial amounts of funding, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take an action against Israel.[219][220][221][222] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"[223] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million from Iran.[221] Israel also obtains foreign military funding, predominately [[Israel–United States relations |from the United States]]. According to a 2024 report from the [[Council on Foreign Relations]], Israel has recieved over $300 billion in military aid from the United States from cumulatively from 1946 to 2024 (adjusted for 2022 USD).[https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts] The United States has provided Israel with over $3 billion (USD) every year from 1980 to 2024 (inflation adjusted to 2024).[https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts] According a 2012 report in ''[[Foreign Policy]]'', [[Mossad]] agents disguised as [[Central Intelligence Agency]] (CIA) officers also recruited members of [[Jundallah (Iran)|Jundallah]] in Iran, a [[Sunni Islam|Sunni]] exteemist organization responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian civilians — to carry out "[[false flag]]" operations against Iran.[https://foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag][http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-mossad-agents-posed-as-cia-spies-to-recruit-terrorists-to-fight-against-iran-1.407224] Some of the [[Islamist anti-Hamas groups in the Gaza Strip |Islamist palestinian militants]] supported by Israel in the fight against Hamas have been accused of links to the [[Islamic State of Iraq and Syria]] (ISIS).[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-05/ty-article/israel-arming-isis-affiliated-anti-hamas-gaza-militia-ex-defense-chief-claims/00000197-3f88-d079-ab97-7fcdd7120000?s=09 ][https://monocle.com/radio/shows/the-briefing/israel-arms-palestinian-factions-within-gaza-and-the-rise-of-j-pop/] In June 2025, Israeli Prime Minister [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] said that Israel was arming the [[Popular Forces]], a [[Rafah]]-based group led by [[Yasser Abu Shabab]], during the [[Gaza war]]. Some prominent figures from the [[Popular Forces]] have been identified as former ISIS militants who fought in the [[Sinai insurgency]].[https://www.newarab.com/news/who-are-isis-linked-gaza-militia-backed-israel][https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1skwx7xgx][https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-providing-guns-to-gaza-jihadist-gang-to-bolster-opposition-to-hamas/] According to Israeli media Abu Shabab has denied any collaboration with Israel or connections to ISIS.[https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/409612][https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/artc-gaza-militia-leader-shabab-denies-collaboration-with-israel-demands-hamas-resign] === Nuclear weapons === Further information: [[Nuclear program of Iran]] and [[Nuclear program of Israel]] and [[Samson Option]] Israel possess the only nuclear weapons in the Middle East, and are believed to possess about 90 nuclear warheads.[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-27/what-we-don-t-know-about-the-israel-iran-war-us-conflict/105457264][https://icanw.org.au/media-release-israel-iran-conflict-shows-the-deadly-danger-of-nuclear-brinkmanship-australia-must-reject-nuclear-weapons/][https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/what-do-we-know-about-israels-nuclear-weapons] In 2021, the [[Associated Press]] reported major construction at Israel's [[Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center]] near [[Dimona]] nuclear research facility.[https://apnews.com/article/secret-israel-nuclear-construction-ecd8b6f3ffb329aa1fc566b9f9336038] === Iran threatening Israel ===

Nuclear program and Missile program

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=== Nuclear program === The destruction of Israel is frequently cited as one of several strategic objectives behind Iran’s nuclear ambitions.[40] The United States has maintained that a nuclear-capable Iran would likely use its capabilities to attempt the annihilation of Israel.[41] === Missile program === Iran has inscribed the Hebrew words for "Israel must be erased" on some of its domestically produced missiles, a number of which have reportedly been transferred to Russia for use in its invasion of Ukraine.[12] == propaganda, symbolism, and ideological messaging ==
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=== Nuclear program === The destruction of Israel is frequently cited as one of several strategic objectives behind Iran’s nuclear ambitions.[40] Indian academic, Anu Sharma, claims the United States has maintained that a nuclear-capable Iran would likely use its capabilities to attempt the annihilation of Israel.[41] In 2024, Michael Eisenstadt, director of The Washington Institute's Military and Security Studies Program, said that "soon after a series of Israeli actions weakened Iran’s deterrent posture, including an October 26 strike that neutralized its strategic air defenses and ability to produce solid-fuel ballistic missiles, leaving it vulnerable to future attacks and unable to replenish partially spent missile stocks. In response, some Iranian officials have urged the regime to bolster deterrence by producing nuclear weapons, stoking concerns that it might soon abandon its nuclear hedging strategy".[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/its-conventional-deterrence-diminished-will-iran-go-bomb] Israel is the only nuclear armed power in the Middle East. Their arsenal, estimated at 90 warheads and capacity to build a further 300, is frequently described as "the worst kept secret in the world".[AJ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMn7ORgVN0] === Missile program === Iran has inscribed the Hebrew words for "Israel must be erased" on some of its domestically produced missiles, a number of which have reportedly been transferred to Russia for use in its invasion of Ukraine.[12] Russia, who posess one of the world's largest nuclear arsenels, frequently used nuclear threats to discourage other countries from defending Ukraine.[https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-draws-nuclear-red-line-west-2024-09-27/] == propaganda, symbolism, and ideological messaging ==

References list

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Proxies

Nuclear weapons

  • Al Jazeera English video "Israel's nuclear arsenal: The open secret giving it regional leverage". 19 June 2025.
  • "What we don't know about the Israel-Iran war". ABC News. 27 June 2025. University of Melbourne public health expert Tilman Ruff — who helped establish the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons (ICAN), which received the 2017 Nobel Peace Prize — said … "This is the absolute case of the pot calling the kettle black … When Israel is the only state in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons, about 90 of them, [and] has never joined the non-proliferation treaty", he said. "The biggest driver of proliferation is the failure of the nine nuclear-armed states to disarm".
  • "Media Release: Israel-Iran conflict shows the deadly danger of nuclear brinkmanship — Australia must reject nuclear weapons". ICAN Australia. 18 June 2025. Israel, the only nuclear-armed state in the Middle East, is widely believed to be modernising its arsenal. In 2024, it conducted a missile propulsion test potentially linked to its Jericho nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, and appears to be upgrading its Dimona plutonium production nuclear site. Israel remains outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), and its nuclear weapons are a major source of instability in the Middle East. Iran, among the first to propose a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East, is a state party to the NPT but has now threatened to withdraw. "Because it is nuclear-armed Israel acts with impunity — and because it is provided with funding, intelligence, weapons and support, including by the recent G7 statement expressing support for Israel's 'security', its violations go unchecked," said Assoc. Prof. Tilman Ruff AO, founding chair of ICAN Australia.
  • "What do we know about Israel's own nuclear weapons?". Middle East Eye. But unlike Iran, Israel has not signed the NPT, and is one of only five countries not to be party to the 1968 treaty. This means that the IAEA has no way to monitor or verify Israel's nuclear arsenal … Israel is one of nine countries that are known to have nuclear weapons, along with the US, Russia, the UK, France, China, India, Pakistan and North Korea. It is believed to possess around 90 nuclear warheads and enough plutonium to produce around 200 more nuclear weapons, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
  • "Nuclear Weapons: Who Has What at a Glance". www.armscontrol.org. January 2025. Israel is estimated to have 90 nuclear warheads, with fissile material stockpiles for about 200 weapons. Israel does not admit nor deny having nuclear weapons, and states that it will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East. Nevertheless, Israel is universally believed to possess nuclear arms stored in a partially disassembled state, although it is unclear exactly how many …
  • "Secretive Israeli nuclear facility undergoes major project". AP News. 25 February 2021.

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Separated from above. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Description of suggested change: "for each gun" needs to be removed from "150 M-40 antitank guns with 24,000 shells for each gun". The main article "Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war" has the correct information, with the 24,000 being the total number of shells supplied.

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184.15.178.200 (talk) 02:40, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done see [2] Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:57, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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please add a merge notice for the new merge of Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy at the top of this talk page.

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The article [[Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy]] was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 28 June 2025 with a consensus to merge the content into Iran–Israel relations. If you find that such action has not been taken promptly, please consider assisting in the merger instead of re-nominating the article for deletion. To discuss the merger, please use this talk page. Do not remove this template after completing the merger. A bot will replace it with {afd-merged-from}. The article [[Iran-Israel non-political relations]] was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 28 June 2025 with a consensus to merge the content into Iran–Israel relations. If you find that such action has not been taken promptly, please consider assisting in the merger instead of re-nominating the article for deletion. To discuss the merger, please use this talk page. Do not remove this template after completing the merger. A bot will replace it with {afd-merged-from}.

2405:6E00:657:614C:89FB:2C33:4C26:6D05 (talk) 03:20, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done with the correct date — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 17:02, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 July 2025

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Should the destruction of Israel in Iranian policy be in the Iran threatening Israel section? – KaijuEditor (talk) 13:35, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you requesting that this edit be made, or are you trying to start a discussion concerning whether or not it should be? Day Creature (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both, mostly the latter. – KaijuEditor (talk) 21:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Closing for now, unfortunately edit requests aren't the way to attract attention for discussion, they're meant for applying uncontroversial changes to an article — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 18:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where do I make a WP:CONSENSUS? – KaijuEditor (talk) 05:36, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is made here, but since this page is a contentious topic under WP:ARBPIA, unfortunately you are not allowed to discuss or participate in discussions. Per above: "You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)." I'll send over a notice on your page shortly. — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 22:58, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 19 July 2025

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I've separated this out from above to ask separately, because I think by itself this change is relatively uncontroversial. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 19:53, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Section: "Holocaust denial and Conspiracy theories"

  • Meir Litvak's professional details were from his own page. A translated quote coming via him should be attributed to him.
  • The change from Shi'ite to Shia is because "Shia" seems to be the modern standard term, the page is called Shia Islam.
  • The last paragraph from the "conspiracy theories" section should be removed (details below)
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=== Holocaust denial === Until recently, Iran was the only state whose leadership and institutions openly engaged in Holocaust denial (and at times justification) as part of official ideology.[7] This rhetoric served to legitimize calls for the destruction of Israel by denying or minimizing the Holocaust, thereby undermining the historical justification for the state's existence and portraying it instead as a product of Western imperialism.[45] Mohammad-Ali Ramin, a close advisor to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, once stated that "the resolution" of the Holocaust issue would lead to the "destruction of Israel".[45] === Conspiracy theories === Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei told university students that Israel was created by Western powers with the explicit goal of preventing unity among Muslim states.[46] Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, former head of Iran's judiciary, claimed that "racist, anti-human" Zionism has "enslaved all of the world's peoples" and accused Muslim states of cooperating with a Zionist conspiracy of the "Hebrew polity" to divide the Islamic world.[46] Iranian MP Emad Afroogh alleged that "Jewish rabbis" were responsible for Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi's shift away from his previous moderation toward Shi'ites.[46] IRGC Navy Commander Alireza Tangsiri, in 2022, claimed that Saudi rulers descend from the Jews of Medina and Khaybar, enemies of the Prophet Muhammad.[46] Iranian media, including outlets aligned with the reformist faction, have accused Israeli intelligence of making efforts to undermine Shi'ite religious rituals and sow sectarian discord.[47] In one 2019 example, Mossad was alleged to have trained Israeli Jews as maddahan (ritual eulogists) to infiltrate mourning assemblies in Iran and deliberately mislead audiences into cursing or blaspheming.[47] Between 2011 and 2021, Iranian institutions organized dozens of ideologically driven conferences with provocative titles such as "Zionism and the SARS Disease", "Genocide in Rwanda and in Gaza" (where only one speaker addressed Rwanda and the remaining fifteen focused on Gaza), and "Judaism and Hollywood: A Diabolical Conspiracy", showing the regime's effort to link Zionism with global ills.[48] These events, while often poorly attended, are publicly portrayed as major intellectual gatherings, with state media describing a half-empty auditorium as "standing room only" at a conference titled "The Jewish Roots of MI-6".[48] == Responses ==
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(abridged to fit in TextDiff) === Holocaust denial === Until recently, Iran was the only state whose leadership and institutions openly engaged in Holocaust denial (and at times justification) as part of official ideology.[7] This rhetoric served to legitimize calls for the destruction of Israel by denying or minimizing the Holocaust, thereby undermining the historical justification for the state's existence and portraying it instead as a product of Western imperialism.[45] [[Meir Litvak]], an Israeli academic who studies "Islamist antisemitism", has written that Mohammad-Ali Ramin is a close advisor to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and that Ramin stated that "the resolution" of the Holocaust issue would lead to the "destruction of Israel".[45] === Conspiracy theories === Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei told university students that Israel was created by Western powers with the explicit goal of preventing unity among Muslim states.[46] Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, former head of Iran's judiciary, claimed that "racist, anti-human" Zionism has "enslaved all of the world's peoples" and accused Muslim states of cooperating with a Zionist conspiracy of the "Hebrew polity" to divide the Islamic world.[46] Iranian MP Emad Afroogh alleged that "Jewish rabbis" were responsible for Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi's shift away from his previous moderation toward Shi'ites.[46] IRGC Navy Commander Alireza Tangsiri, in 2022, claimed that Saudi rulers descend from the Jews of Medina and Khaybar, enemies of the Prophet Muhammad.[46] Iranian media, including outlets aligned with the reformist faction, have accused Israeli intelligence of making efforts to undermine Shia religious rituals and sow sectarian discord.[47] In one 2019 example, Mossad was alleged to have trained Israeli Jews as maddahan (ritual eulogists) to infiltrate mourning assemblies in Iran and deliberately mislead audiences into cursing or blaspheming.[47] === Responses ===

Reasons to remove the last paragraph

Putting "Genocide in Rwanda and in Gaza" in a section called "conspiracy theories" between "Zionism and the SARS Disease" and "Judaism and Hollywood: A Diabolical Conspiracy" implies that that the "Palestinian genocide accusation" or even the Gaza genocide is a "conspiracy theory", which not supported by the cited reference or any other reputable source.

Nothing in the last paragraph is supported by any other sources I can find.

The citation on the page also misspells the author's name, it should be Ze'ev Maghen (with an H). But I definitely have the right source because, the entire section "(only one speaker addressed Rwanda, while the remaining fifteen spoke about Gaza)" appears in the full text I found, including the brackets, and the text in on this Wikipedia page changes only one word.

The source doesn't describe any of these as "conspiracy theories" just "pseudo-academic conferences" that are "a widely used tool to promote the notion of the Islamic Republic as a hothouse of research and intellectual sophistication, represents another cog in the Iranian propaganda machine". The source also doesn't say anything to directly support any of those three "showing the regime's effort to link Zionism with global ills".

I looked for other sources, and I cannot find any other sources confirming an event called "Genocide in Rwanda and in Gaza" was held in Iran between 2011 and 2021. I was trying to find a date, or details on what the speakers presented, but I can't find any evidence the event existed at all.

  • Reference on the page: "Magen, Ze'ev (2023). Reading revolutionary Iran: the worldview of the Islamic republic's religio-political elite. Studies on Modern Orient. Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter. pp. 207–208. ISBN 978-3-11-101810-2."
  • Full text: Ze'ev Maghen. "Reading Revolutionary Iran: The Worldview of the Islamic Republic's Religio-Political Elite". Between 2011 and 2021, conferences were held in various provinces across the length and breadth of the country sporting such titles as "The Distress of the Western Woman" (parishani-ye zan-e gharbi); "The Genuine Roots of Democracy: Greek or Islamic?" (the unanimous answer of the participants was, of course, the latter); "Racism, Terrorism, Capitalism, Zionism and Imperialism"; "Judaism and Hollywood: A Diabolical Conspiracy"; "Winebibbing and the Wane of the West" (maykharegi va oful-e-gharb); "Human Rights in Islam and in the West"; "Zionism and the SARS Disease"; "Genocide in Rwanda and in Gaza" (only one speaker addressed Rwanda, while the remaining fifteen spoke about Gaza); "The Philosophy of Secularism and the Destruction of the American Family"; "International Arrogance (the common appellation for the U. S. and sometimes the United Kingdom) and the Support of Dictatorship"; "The Physiological Benefits of Islamic Prostration" (attended by orthopedists, chiropractors and sports doctors); "Space Exploration as Described in the Qurʿan"; "Fāṭima (the Prophet Muḥammad's daughter) and Genuine Feminism"; and dozens more of this ilk. Many of these conferences (like their Western counterparts) are ill attended – despite the common practice in Iran of dragging raw recruits straight from boot camp to fill up the seats – but in true Orwellian fashion the reporter covering the event will often stand in front of a visibly half empty hall and declare unabashedly: "As you can see, it is standing room only here at the 'The Jewish Roots of MI-6' conference".

2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 19:53, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Revised. 2405:6E00:655:B4B:D674:A229:ADF7:D489 (talk) 21:13, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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