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I’m not sure why they are wanting it to rename it to 2025 India-Pakistan Conflict, unless if we are going to rename the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, 1965, and 1947-1948 to “(insert year here) India-Pakistan Conflict. Are we now going to call the Korean War the Korean conflict, The Second World War to Second World Conflict? In regards to your question, the term act of war has been used by Pakistan according to reliable sources, unsure if India has used that terminology yet or not, considering they are still drone striking and shooting missiles at each other as we speak, this is surpassing the 1999 Kargil war (Which is not called Kargil Conflict of 1999) There will probably be a triple merge with Standoff, Strike and have it be placed under this, unless for some odd reason they will call it a conflict only in which every single article that calls something a war becomes in question. Opama420 (talk) 04:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All the wars you mentioned involved large scale ground operations, including the 1999 Kargil War. As you know, formations of thousands of troops haven't been trying to seize territory from either country.
I understand the appeal of sensationalism around a dramatic conflict, but typically Wikipedia tries to detach itself from social media and news hype and tries to establish consensus before making big changes. At least, that is the impression I've developed in my 14 years editing Wikipedia. TROPtastic (talk) 06:45, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Modern war isn’t about solely ground operations, if one country launches missiles & continuously fires across the border killing civilians, along with drone strikes, cyber attacks, shooting each others jets & drones (alleged), with one countries prime minister calling it an act of war. The source regarding the act of war is a comment from reliable sources, not social media, unless if you are referring to something else Opama420 (talk) 06:58, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned the academic paper written by Fearon for the Univeristy of Chiacgo’s department of political science which is uploaded on the Stanford website that further cements the point that ground offensives are not solely an indicator of war, meaning just because there is no ground offensive doesn’t mean it is a war. That’s like saying if Russia launched a missile at New York City that since Russia did not launch a ground offensive, it is not a war. Opama420 (talk) 07:15, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Request Speedy review: As far as I am informed BOTH countries ARE NOT at WAR. We cannot call this article usefull in that regard. Reequsting Merger Into the Articlee on strikes RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 06:57, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4-RAZOR 01 Please describe your view on what is a war before you try to request a speedy review. The Pakistani Prime Minister has called this an act of war. No formal declaration of war under international law has existed between India & Pakistan in any of its wars. Opama420 (talk) 06:59, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Opama420 unless a situation of war develops like serious situation like nukes are amed, ballistic missiles are used, wider areas such as KP, baloch or southern and eastern india are targets or mobilsation is annoounced we cannot call it a War. so farr it is just an intense standoff that is spiralling out of control RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 07:01, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Im not saying that. BUt IF he has called it an act of War; then we should have been expecting heavy attacks anytime now thats all im saying RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 07:19, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying Pakistan shooting down drones & jets (alleged), continuously shooting across the LOC which has killed civilians, cyber attacks, & as we speak, a military operation against India is not a heavy attack? People are fleeing the border region, displacement is a sign of war. Opama420 (talk) 07:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Indian Armend Forces are also doing the same and yes a lot of our people in kashmir have been displaced. however the Intensity of the Conflict does not mean a full scally fully fledged war (as an afterthough; another week like this does mean a limited scale war) RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 07:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He is not "wrong", but there are clearly domestic political considerations for calling it an "act of war" in Pakistan (which is subtly different from saying that the conflict is a war since Pakistan has the rhetorical room to respond at a lower intensity to an "act of war"). Reliable independent sources from uninvolved countries (DW, BBC, CBC etc.) are not currently calling it a war either. TROPtastic (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An official declaration is not necessary—both countries are engaged in tit-for-tat attacks. Pakistan is carrying out continuous, sustained strikes against multiple military targets within India. With both militaries actively involved, what else would you call a war? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:53, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This page should not be speedily deleted because the situation is still developing. Once tit-for-tat responses begin and both countries engage in a sustained campaign, it is considered a full-fledged war. The fate of the other articles is still under discussion. I believe this page should remain, and if necessary, the other pages can be redirected here. This tag appears premature and not well considered. The Pakistani government and media are repeatedly stating that the war has already begun. If the page is deleted prematurely today, it may have to be recreated tomorrow. --Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:50, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no formal declaration of war procedure under the Indian constitution. Article 352 isn’t always invoked in the previous Indo-Pakistani Wars & the Kargil war Opama420 (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed I saw you originally created the Indo-Pakistani War of 2025 article. You’re right that this is a war. I recommend opening a new rm discussion in the 2025 India–Pakistan conflict to rename it to Indo-Pakistani War of 2025. Opama420 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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